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Old November 6th, 2014, 12:30 AM   #1681
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Ugh, please, no more antennaes for NYC. I will be satisfied with all spire-less buildings in the Hudson Yards.
Lol. I hear you. I kind of feel the same way after the Nordstrom and 1 Vanderbilt. After that no more.

As for this tower, I'm extremely excited about this one.
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Old November 6th, 2014, 01:14 AM   #1682
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What's with everyone's disdain for spires in SSC? I dont think this would look good in Hudson Yards, but not because of its spire. I'm new here so please fill me in, I really don't get it.
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Old November 6th, 2014, 01:23 AM   #1683
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Nothing wrong with them but if you have too many...I wouldn't want the skyline to eventually look like this.

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Old November 6th, 2014, 01:30 AM   #1684
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Nothing wrong with them but if you have too many...I wouldn't want the skyline to eventually look like this.

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Well not every building needs to have a spire. I don't see too many buildings where I think the spire makes it look bad, and for some buildings, I actually think the building would be incomplete without it. I just dont get the hate
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Old November 6th, 2014, 01:38 AM   #1685
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I actually think IMO a spired tower would be nice for the Yards for the sake of variety.
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Old November 6th, 2014, 01:43 AM   #1686
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I agree on that, but not this type of building. The Wilshire Grand seems to me like the type of building that should be the centerpiece or at least an integral part of a skyline, but Manhattan is far too built up to afford it that luxury.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 03:10 AM   #1687
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This building needs its spire without a doubt.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 04:52 PM   #1688
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And what's stopping you from doing it, Mr. 10064, hmm?? j/k.


From the Wilshire Grand Center website. PDF version.
Looking at this, the "flat side" isn't actually "flat", it has a slight curve, very nice.

I love the open-end plaza, very inviting.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 08:20 PM   #1689
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What's with everyone's disdain for spires in SSC? I dont think this would look good in Hudson Yards, but not because of its spire. I'm new here so please fill me in, I really don't get it.
There is also a veiw shared by many of us that the spires are only there for the developers to cheat the building height. They'll tell you this building is to be 1100 feet but how high is the actual usable building? far less than that.

Like WTC 1 in NYC being 1,776 feet. No its not! Its a 1,300 odd foot building with an antennae on top.

Ot Bof A in NYC being how ever tall they say it is. No its not!

Its nitpicking for certain but this is a sky scraper site and there are those here with strong opinions on this. I'd like to see two heights stated on these projects. A building hieght to the useable roof, and a structure height to the little red light on the top. IM worthless opinion, its more honest.

YMMV of course.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 08:32 PM   #1690
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There is also a veiw shared by many of us that the spires are only there for the developers to cheat the building height. They'll tell you this building is to be 1100 feet but how high is the actual usable building? far less than that.

Like WTC 1 in NYC being 1,776 feet. No its not! Its a 1,300 odd foot building with an antennae on top.

Ot Bof A in NYC being how ever tall they say it is. No its not!

Its nitpicking for certain but this is a sky scraper site and there are those here with strong opinions on this. I'd like to see two heights stated on these projects. A building hieght to the useable roof, and a structure height to the little red light on the top. IM worthless opinion, its more honest.

YMMV of course.
If they changed the rules and went with useable roof or top floor. That would lower the BKs height. The future kingdom tower will have over 300m of elevation gain due to non useable space.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 08:32 PM   #1691
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Cheating height is definitely at the heart of the issue, but with NYC in particular, there is a growing sea of spires in Midtown Manhattan (ESB, Chrysler, NYT, 4 Times Square, BofA, and in the next few years, One Vanderbilt and Nordstrom). I like a few spires, but tend to agree that seven in a single chunk of skyline is probably too many. You don't want every peak in your skyline to be a needle or it'll get monotonous. Still, it's a very different story in LA. Since we've never been allowed a spire here, the chance to shake up the even worse monotony of flat roofs is incredibly exciting.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 08:44 PM   #1692
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Cheating height is definitely at the heart of the issue, but with NYC in particular, there is a growing sea of spires in Midtown Manhattan (ESB, Chrysler, NYT, 4 Times Square, BofA, and in the next few years, One Vanderbilt and Nordstrom). I like a few spires, but tend to agree that seven in a single chunk of skyline is probably too many. You don't want every peak in your skyline to be a needle or it'll get monotonous. Still, it's a very different story in LA. Since we've never been allowed a spire here, the chance to shake up the even worse monotony of flat roofs is incredibly exciting.
Except for Nordstrom, all the other behemoths won't have a spire (1 Vandy is years aways and its design calls for a nice spire). In fact, residential buildings in New York usually don't have a spire. Give it a few years and you'll start noticing all the flat roofs and / or crowns. Also, in a few years, New York will become the city with most towers over 400m to the roof.

As for LA and this tower in particular, a few spires would do wonders for the skyline. Variety ist the key.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 09:13 PM   #1693
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There is also a veiw shared by many of us that the spires are only there for the developers to cheat the building height. They'll tell you this building is to be 1100 feet but how high is the actual usable building? far less than that.

Like WTC 1 in NYC being 1,776 feet. No its not! Its a 1,300 odd foot building with an antennae on top.

Ot Bof A in NYC being how ever tall they say it is. No its not!

Its nitpicking for certain but this is a sky scraper site and there are those here with strong opinions on this. I'd like to see two heights stated on these projects. A building hieght to the useable roof, and a structure height to the little red light on the top. IM worthless opinion, its more honest.

YMMV of course.
I guess part of it is that I don't care about a building's height in exact measurements. If a building's tall its tall, to me its more about how it looks compared to its surroundings. Since I'm not nitpicky with height, I look at the spire for how it adds to the building's overall look rather than as a method for cheating height. BofA might be the only spire I dont like for its design value.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 09:18 PM   #1694
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Except for Nordstrom, all the other behemoths won't have a spire (1 Vandy is years aways and its design calls for a nice spire). In fact, residential buildings in New York usually don't have a spire. Give it a few years and you'll start noticing all the flat roofs and / or crowns. Also, in a few years, New York will become the city with most towers over 400m to the roof.

As for LA and this tower in particular, a few spires would do wonders for the skyline. Variety ist the key.
I totally agree. LA needs a tallest without a flat roof for a change.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 09:25 PM   #1695
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I'm not against this building having a spire, but I would prefer for it to be a little more integrated into the design.
The only thing that I am really against is an antennae tacked on top of a flat roof, like the WTC in NYC.
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Old November 9th, 2014, 08:28 PM   #1696
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Looking at this, the "flat side" isn't actually "flat", it has a slight curve, very nice.
Sorry if I'm repeating myself, but I just wanted to clear up the "flat side" issue. You're right that it isn't completely flat, but if you look closely at the render, most of the side will be flat. If you look behind the small building blocking the bottom of WG, you can see an exposed part of the slightly curved section of WG that ends to the left of the last floor of the small building. Unfortunately, the upper two thirds of the building will be flat. (You can see part of the flat side (the right side of the "flat side") in the diagram)

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Old November 10th, 2014, 10:03 PM   #1697
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Very interesting article in the LA Times.

The evolution of building design
There are many ways to hold up a tall building. Over the last 100 years, structural styles have come and gone, depending on the availability of materials and the building's needs. While Los Angeles may not be known for its high-rise culture, the city has a diversity of styles.




Just 33 feet wide at its narrowest, the concrete core of the New Wilshire Grand, at the corner of Wilshire Boulevard and Figueroa Street, will provide crucial support for the 1,100-foot-tall hotel and office building.



Outriggers
The concrete core is supported with a series of structural elements known as outriggers. These braces form giant triangles extending from the core to the exterior columns.


Physics 101
For every force in nature, there is an equal and opposite reaction. In the design of skyscrapers, gravity, winds and earthquakes are the greatest forces that the building reacts to.


Buckling-restrained braces (BRBs)
The undulating motion that occurs in the skyscraper during an earthquake exerts unique forces on the outriggers.
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Old November 11th, 2014, 05:48 AM   #1698
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i love that pepsi logo on top
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Old November 12th, 2014, 02:53 AM   #1699
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pop a drink aboard korean airlines, cause that's their logo! no hard feelings though, a common mistake
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Old November 12th, 2014, 05:34 AM   #1700
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NYC skyline often dominated by lead buildings with 1 spire, Chicago dominated by buildings with 2 spires, LA no spire

LA changes now
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