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Old June 5th, 2017, 08:47 PM   #2721
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Why's flydubai changing its registration?
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Old June 5th, 2017, 09:12 PM   #2722
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Could you please provide a source for the registration changes, there's nothing on it on the news or on other aviation sites.

I don't think that it will have any use anyway. Saudi Arabia, together with the other countries involved would simply come up with new measures to specifically ban QR from their airspace and airports.
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Old June 5th, 2017, 09:27 PM   #2723
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Could you please provide a source for the registration changes, there's nothing on it on the news or on other aviation sites.

I don't think that it will have any use anyway. Saudi Arabia, together with the other countries involved would simply come up with new measures to specifically ban QR from their airspace and airports.
Is that easy to do? KLM used to fly to China from Taiwan simply by using a diff. name like KLM Asia or something. I wonder if Qatar uses an Irish code, Saudi may run into issues with Ireland (and probably EU) if they try to ban it from their airspace.
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Old June 5th, 2017, 09:52 PM   #2724
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This whole situation only started today. We cannot expect that Qatar comes up with a solution for their current issues within one day of their troubles. Especially since it's not yet fully clear how all this will even affect the QR operations in the next couple of days, let alone the effect on long term planning.

Any previous solutions by airlines from other countries which also had issues with flights to and from certain countries can show possible solutions. But remember that most of those solutions only came about after serious long term diplomatic efforts. Something which will have to start now, but as all ties were cut it's not likely that any of the countries that followed Saudi Arabia is now willing to come to a solution specifically for air travel.
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Old June 5th, 2017, 11:35 PM   #2725
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Could you please provide a source for the registration changes, there's nothing on it on the news or on other aviation sites.
Story from Dublin today.
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I don't think that it will have any use anyway. Saudi Arabia, together with the other countries involved would simply come up with new measures to specifically ban QR from their airspace and airports.
The owner may also change to a Dublin based company. Not sure exactly what is proposed but banning of Irish a/c is a no no as the perpetrators will lose access to EU airspace if they do...and all that EU business they rely on.

In extremis QR could buy the rest of IAG and fold into it...they only need to double their existing stake!
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Old June 6th, 2017, 12:03 AM   #2726
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I doubt new regs will help. Reg of the ac is one thing, but what about the flight numbers? There are number of acmi flights, which are operated by foreign ac, but under "regional" flight numbers -> so is the ac-owner avoiding flight rights between countries. I suppose between Qatar and Saudi Arabia/UAE/etc. are just 2-3 designated airlines which can fly (doesn't matter which ac). Even if they have ac from 3rd country, it gives them nothing.

Even if they steup an Irish company - is Ryanair now allowed to fly RUH-DOH? No. The same will be for QR Ireland. If the ac from QR Ireland is leased to QR it also brings nothing, because it has to fly as it was regular QR.
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Old June 6th, 2017, 07:09 AM   #2727
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Is there any official statements from Qatar Airways about their service cancellation? Which routes are disrupted by the diplomatic conflict?

As an air ticket agent, I really concern about this.
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Old June 6th, 2017, 07:55 AM   #2728
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Qatar Airways cannot fully buy IAG = EU ownership rules, therefor they cannot buy more then 49% of this Spanish company. If it was possible a full take over would also take enough time, if only for the opposition that would create within Spain and Britain.

And the EU doesn't care if a country bans EU registered aircraft. The nationality of the airline will still be leading. It's different when they fly in operation from a European AOC or an AOC from a completely different country. But talking about diplomatic relations... Saudi Arabia is just a tiny bit more important then Qatar. The only countries that are willing to go against Saudi Arabia over this are already in odds with Saudi Arabia. The EU will not do anything against Saudi Arabia if they still ban Irish registered QR planes from their airspace and airports.



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Old June 6th, 2017, 08:09 AM   #2729
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Is there any official statements from Qatar Airways about their service cancellation? Which routes are disrupted by the diplomatic conflict?

As an air ticket agent, I really concern about this.
Based on this Airline Route report, there are quite a lot of flight cancellations, not just by Qatar Airways.

Air Arabia
All Sharjah – Doha flights cancelled until further notice. G9 operates up to 3 daily flights to Doha

Air Cairo
All Doha flights cancelled until further notice. SM opeates 1 weekly from Sharm el Sheikh, up to 4 weekly from Borg el Arab/Alexandria, 1 weekly from Sohag

Egypt Air
All Cairo – Doha flights cancelled until further notice. MS operates up to 16 weekly flights to Doha

Emirates
All Dubai – Doha flights cancelled until further notice. EK operates up to 7 daily flights to Doha

Etihad Airways
All Abu Dhabi – Doha flights cancelled at least until 30JUN17. EY operates up to 5 daily flights to Doha

Flydubai
All Dubai – Doha flights cancelled until further notice. FZ operates 1 daily from Dubai al Maktoum (DWC) and up to 7 daily from Dubai International (DXB)

Gulf Air
All Bahrain – Doha flights cancelled at least until 30JUN17. GF operates 5-6 daily flights to Doha

Qatar Airways
All flights to UAE, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Egypt cancelled until further notice. At time this post goes to press, QR service to these countries remain available for bookings on/after 9 June 2017, including:

Doha – Abha: 2 daily
Doha – Abu Dhabi: 6 daily
Doha – Bahrain: 7 daily
Doha – Borg el Arab/Alexandria: 10 weekly
Doha – Cairo: 17 weekly
Doha – Dammam: 5 daily
Doha – Dubai al Maktoum (DWC): 4 daily
Doha – Dubai International (DXB): 17 daily
Doha – Gassim: 2 daily
Doha – Hofuf: 5 weekly
Doha – Jeddah: 4 daily
Doha – Luxor: 7 weekly
Doha – Madinah: 3 daily
Doha – Ras al Khaimah: 4 weekly
Doha – Riyadh: 24 weekly
Doha – Sharjah: 2 daily
Doha – Taif: 1 daily
Doha – Yanbu: 4 weekly

Saudia
All flights to Doha cancelled at least until 15 August 2017. SV operates up to 10 weekly from Jeddah, 1 daily from Riyadh
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Old June 6th, 2017, 10:34 PM   #2730
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This is one news story I'm glued to. I have great love for Qatar and Qatar Airways. I hope this situation resolves itself soon.
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Old June 7th, 2017, 06:56 AM   #2731
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Feel bad for QR. They've been caught up in a political spat that has little to do with them. Banning of airlines in international airspace should be illegal unless there is a credible and imminent threat.
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Old June 8th, 2017, 12:28 AM   #2732
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Bit of good news for the ME airlines ...it seems that after _heavy_ lobbying by MS and Apple in the US the newer Surface and iPad tablets will possibly be removed from the cabin banlist later this year.

A 'special' battery diagnostic app will have to be installed and the battery must pass certain tests at airport security before it is allowed onboard in the cabin. Having a low battery at security check will not be an option. The apps are not yet ready and approved by security specialists and it may be that batteries will have to be physically changed to a version that will feed enhanced data back to the App before they qualify for cabin use.
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Old June 10th, 2017, 05:01 PM   #2733
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I just read this article, it seems that UAE's airspace isn't just closed to Qatari planes, but also other flights to and from Qatar that overflies UAE.

According to flightaware.com, Oman Air Flight 668 from Doha to Muscat made a diversion to avoid UAE airspace, although this diversion won't make any major difference to the flight duration since it is a short flight.

What do you guys think of this airspace ban?
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Old June 12th, 2017, 06:13 AM   #2734
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I just read this article, it seems that UAE's airspace isn't just closed to Qatari planes, but also other flights to and from Qatar that overflies UAE.

According to flightaware.com, Oman Air Flight 668 from Doha to Muscat made a diversion to avoid UAE airspace, although this diversion won't make any major difference to the flight duration since it is a short flight.

What do you guys think of this airspace ban?
I don't know who is right or wrong in this situation, and if Saudi/UAE have a valid case against the government of Qatar, but cutting off food supplies, restricting access to airlines flying to/from Qatar, and deporting Qataris seems very excessive and inhumane.

And EK and Dubai has always talked about their open skies policy and how Europe/US3 needs to stop being so protectionist...
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Old June 13th, 2017, 10:08 PM   #2735
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Are other GCC airlines using Qatar Airspace other than Kuwait Airways and Oman Air?
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Are other GCC airlines using Qatar Airspace other than Kuwait Airways and Oman Air?
Qatar barely has any airspace. They don't need to worry about that. Most of the airspace in the Persian Gulf region belongs to Bahrain, UAE, and Iran. But I don't think Qatar banned their airspace for SV/EK/GF/EY etc...
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Qatar barely has any airspace. They don't need to worry about that. Most of the airspace in the Persian Gulf region belongs to Bahrain, UAE, and Iran. But I don't think Qatar banned their airspace for SV/EK/GF/EY etc...
Yeah, Qatar (intelligently) is not lashing back at the other GCC countries, rather focusing on ensuring their survival and prosperity. I really hope this situation resolves itself soon. Sadly damage has already been done since confidence in the GCC with respect to business and economics in my opinion has been heavily tarnished. I think about all the businesses in the GCC that are losing money and productivity from this. If I frequently did business between Dubai and Doha for example I could only imagine how much my business would be suffering. Cannot make meetings, cannot ship things as easily...oh well.
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Yeah, Qatar (intelligently) is not lashing back at the other GCC countries, rather focusing on ensuring their survival and prosperity. I really hope this situation resolves itself soon. Sadly damage has already been done since confidence in the GCC with respect to business and economics in my opinion has been heavily tarnished. I think about all the businesses in the GCC that are losing money and productivity from this. If I frequently did business between Dubai and Doha for example I could only imagine how much my business would be suffering. Cannot make meetings, cannot ship things as easily...oh well.
Dubai-Doha business is negligible (though vital) compared to Doha-Abu Dhabi business in the energy front....Dolphin Gas project!! Apparently there has been no interruption on that yet!!
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Dubai-Doha business is negligible (though vital) compared to Doha-Abu Dhabi business in the energy front....Dolphin Gas project!! Apparently there has been no interruption on that yet!!
I don't have exact O&D and transit stats, but DOH is the second busiest route from DXB with 3m+ passengers annually. So to put this into perspective, DOH represents 3.6% of total traffic at DXB, and DXB represents a significant 8% of DOH's total traffic.
Granted the majority that is leisure and transit traffic, but there is a significant amount business traffic as well.
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I don't have exact O&D and transit stats, but DOH is the second busiest route from DXB with 3m+ passengers annually. So to put this into perspective, DOH represents 3.6% of total traffic at DXB, and DXB represents a significant 8% of DOH's total traffic.
Granted the majority that is leisure and transit traffic, but there is a significant amount business traffic as well.
Interestingly enough I took that round trip flight on Emirates and their service in Economy on a 40 minute flight blew me away. I took Qatar Airways long haul on the same trip between Houston and Karachi and I definitely fell in love with their service as well. I guess it's easy for an American to fall in love with any airline service outside of the United States haha!
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