EK/EY/QR/SV | Gulf States Based-Carriers - Page 6

Bahnsteig4 · November 2nd, 2007, 01:08 AM

Right.

Canadian74 · November 2nd, 2007, 04:17 AM

EK said they wanted to double their A380 order to 110 aircraft, but the current infrastructure at Dubai airport doesn't allow that.

And yes, I also agree EK will collapse sooner or later.

zelterheist · November 3rd, 2007, 11:29 PM

why this hatred against emirates?

yrkn · November 4th, 2007, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by zelterheist

why this hatred against emirates?

why not?? I am sure you hate something too

Luka · November 4th, 2007, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by zelterheist

why this hatred against emirates?

There’s no hatred. I used to think Emirates was the best but their massive expansion has caused their service levels to drop, all of their planes have a different product to offer (which is not very representative for a world airline), their management is disorganised and they have a hub which is in a mess (the airport, not the city).

ddes · November 4th, 2007, 08:00 AM

I think some of these problems will be solved with fleet simplification. When its fleet eventually will just be A350s, A380s and B777 and maybe, B787.

I'll give Emirates credit for trying to be No. 1 and it appears to be winning the first battle in being the dominant carrier in the Mid East already.

I don't think Emirates will collapse sooner or later. We have to accept that this century will belong to Asia, Africa and Latin America, with passenger traffic only just beginning to grow, airlines may have to be large to suit this huge potential increase in travel.

isaidso · November 4th, 2007, 08:50 AM

It was a bit of an eye opener to find out that they don't pay their staff properly. It shouldn't have come as a shock considering that the UAE is pretty much a country where slavery is not only tolerated, but widely practiced. Pay scales in Dubai are also based on whether you are white, black, or Indian. A good friend of mine worked there for an architecure firm. He said it was very disturbing. He still gets messages from Pakistani's he met begging him to rescue them. They've been pretty much caged in a worker compound for years. Their passports were seized upon entry so that they couldn't flee back to Pakistan. These aren't isolated incidents, but widespread practices.

People from the UAE should be ashamed. Disgusting! I won't be travelling to Dubai as long as this continues.

luv2bebrown · November 4th, 2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkey

The Gulf carriers pay their staff pittance (and they have no union rights) and get subsidised jet fuel from the state.

true and not true, respectively.

luv2bebrown · November 4th, 2007, 09:00 AM

emirates will be going public in the near future. that will put an end to the subsidies accusations

cyborg81 · November 4th, 2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by isaidso

It was a bit of an eye opener to find out that they don't pay their staff properly. It shouldn't have come as a shock considering that the UAE is pretty much a country where slavery is not only tolerated, but widely practiced. Pay scales in Dubai are also based on whether you are white, black, or Indian. A good friend of mine worked there for an architecure firm. He said it was very disturbing. He still gets messages from Pakistani's he met begging him to rescue them. They've been pretty much caged in a worker compound for years. Their passports were seized upon entry so that they couldn't flee back to Pakistan. These aren't isolated incidents, but widespread practices.

People from the UAE should be ashamed. Disgusting! I won't be travelling to Dubai as long as this continues.

well emirates pay some of the most competitive salaries 2 their staff and personal on the best global scale.i dunno where u got this info from.all their staff are highly skilled,competitive and get to stay at some of the best residences around the world when they visit a particular city.

as 4 u not coming 2 dubai,all i can say is u wont be missed dearly.

in the future dont write hearsay information on these forums and do ur research well.good luck!

cyborg81 · November 4th, 2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by luv2bebrown

emirates will be going public in the near future. that will put an end to the subsidies accusations

emirates wont be goin public anytime soon,they still have $4b in the bank.next year they expect another year of bumper profits.

airline world,the emirates force has arrived.whether u like it or not it is here to stay and dominate

luv2bebrown · November 4th, 2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cyborg81

well emirates pay some of the most competitive salaries 2 their staff and personal on the best global scale.i dunno where u got this info from.all their staff are highly skilled,competitive and get to stay at some of the best residences around the world when they visit a particular city.

as 4 u not coming 2 dubai,all i can say is u wont be missed dearly.

in the future dont write hearsay information on these forums and do ur research well.good luck!

well yes they are paid well by global standards. but when you think that much of the world lives on less than $1 a day, its not much of a standard.
cabin crew + mid/senior management get an extremely good deal since their housing, car, children's education etc is all paid for. but the rank and file employees of Emirates are not paid very much at all. ticketing agents for example are paid less than $1000 a month. only a few employees have been lucky enough to secure subsidized company housing. are the employees skilled and competitive? yes. the only reason they work at emirates is because they come from a cultural background where working at a "good company" like emirates is paramount despite everything else. im an EK employee btw

Skyprince · November 4th, 2007, 02:11 PM

I dont understand why EK is still rated 4-star ? Thats even below the rate for QR. WHy it needs to stop in Singapore for most of its Oz operations > It can simply fly non-stop from Dubai to Sydney or Melbourne.

Quote:

Originally Posted by isaidso

It was a bit of an eye opener to find out that they don't pay their staff properly. It shouldn't have come as a shock considering that the UAE is pretty much a country where slavery is not only tolerated, but widely practiced. Pay scales in Dubai are also based on whether you are white, black, or Indian. A good friend of mine worked there for an architecure firm. He said it was very disturbing. He still gets messages from Pakistani's he met begging him to rescue them. They've been pretty much caged in a worker compound for years. Their passports were seized upon entry so that they couldn't flee back to Pakistan. These aren't isolated incidents, but widespread practices.

People from the UAE should be ashamed. Disgusting! I won't be travelling to Dubai as long as this continues.

When I was in Dubai I met sooooo many educated Indians and Pakistanis who made great fortunes and are extremely contented with their lives in UAE.

In UAE , your ups and downs are based on merit. If a very uneducated White man who cant read and write comes to Dubai, he will surely earn less than $ 200 per month.

I also had a very bad picture of UAE on how it treats its foreign labours before coming but when I was in UAE my view has changed totally when a taxi driver from India clearly tells me that what you earn in UAE is based on your merit and its very fair since there are many Indians and Pakistanis who made 8 to 9-digit fortune during their stay in UAE.

So its fair. You made you comment based on biased media !

cyborg81 · November 4th, 2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by luv2bebrown

well yes they are paid well by global standards. but when you think that much of the world lives on less than $1 a day, its not much of a standard.

i'm not comparing global wage standards which include sweatshops in china and thailand.im benchmarking it against the airline industry in general.the information that i had was that as u said cabin crew,mid-senior management are well paid.however,i was oblivious that they paid travel agents $1000,i might have to check up on that one.since it is easy to declare that ur an EK employee to make everything that comes outta ur mouth 'word of gospel' i might buy into it for the time being.

luv2bebrown · November 5th, 2007, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyprince

I dont understand why EK is still rated 4-star ? Thats even below the rate for QR. WHy it needs to stop in Singapore for most of its Oz operations > It can simply fly non-stop from Dubai to Sydney or Melbourne.

When I was in Dubai I met sooooo many educated Indians and Pakistanis who made great fortunes and are extremely contented with their lives in UAE.

In UAE , your ups and downs are based on merit. If a very uneducated White man who cant read and write comes to Dubai, he will surely earn less than $ 200 per month.

I also had a very bad picture of UAE on how it treats its foreign labours before coming but when I was in UAE my view has changed totally when a taxi driver from India clearly tells me that what you earn in UAE is based on your merit and its very fair since there are many Indians and Pakistanis who made 8 to 9-digit fortune during their stay in UAE.

So its fair. You made you comment based on biased media !

you cannot generalize labour in the UAE. in the developed world, people like to class construction workers, taxi drivers etc as "working class." it doesnt work like that in the UAE. the construction workers are in a league of their own and they find themselves at the bottom of the barrel. whereas construction workers are abused and exploited, taxi drivers, though they work long hours (12 hour shifts), they are paid on a commission based system and can earn up to3000dh a month. so id say the taxi drivers are largely getting a good deal at the expense of some sacrifice, while construction workers are getting a raw deal.

***Xusein*** · November 5th, 2007, 05:59 AM

Off-topic, but:

When Dubai's new World Central Airport is completed (Wiki says it will be finished in 2017), I heard on this forum before that the existing Dubai airport will be exclusively used by Emirates only. Is this true?

Airlines controlling terminals are common in many airports, but I haven't heard of an entire airport being served by one airline before...that would be interesting, indeed.

Fastphilly · November 5th, 2007, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TenRot

They are coming more to North America. I heard that they are planning some West Coast flights.
And they haven't started going to Houston yet. That starts in December.

That would be great!!!

SFO has yet to be served by a Middle Eastern airline.....

killerk · November 5th, 2007, 11:44 PM

Having been a former UAE resident (20 out of the 27 years of my life), The airline and city of Dubai have been following the same planning model as that of Singapore.
"A strong hub-spoke paradigm in the aviation field" and "City as a private for-profit entity". In my opinion Singapore laid the foundation stone for the theory and Dubai fine-tuned it in their direction.....
IMO The credit goes to Singapore for taking the risk and setting standard for the others: Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha, Kuala Lumpur amongst others.

Epi · November 6th, 2007, 04:45 AM

As great as all this is... what about global warming?

Everytime I read about how Dubai is going to so massively expand, I only think at how much more pollution and emissions that's going to add to this world. The world 50 years from now will be very different from today.

ACT7 · November 9th, 2007, 01:32 AM

People, don't think for a second Dubai is alone in it's treatment of immigrants. While it is definitely true that there is a class structure in Dubai, that rings truw for most of the middle east. I'm not agreeing in principle with the fact that immigrants are exploited, but the reality is that no one is holding a gun to the head of Indians and Pakistanis who go to Dubai to work on construction sites and be servants to wealthy Arabs. Don't know if any of you had the pleasure of being to India or Pakistan, but no matter how unfair the treatment may be of certain cultures in Dubai, the life is better than it is in Calcutta or Karachi. I live in Canada, and don't think for a second that new Third World immigrants to Canada have much help. They often live in squalor and have been promised all sorts of things that never come true. I think we should be criticizing the countries of origin, not the countries that let people come in.

Anyway, wasn't this an EK thread??

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November 2nd, 2007, 04:17 AM	#102
Canadian74 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 539 Likes (Received): 0	EK said they wanted to double their A380 order to 110 aircraft, but the current infrastructure at Dubai airport doesn't allow that. And yes, I also agree EK will collapse sooner or later.

November 3rd, 2007, 11:29 PM	#103
zelterheist BANNED Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 225 Likes (Received): 0	why this hatred against emirates?

November 4th, 2007, 08:00 AM	#106
ddes Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 5,303 Likes (Received): 40	I think some of these problems will be solved with fleet simplification. When its fleet eventually will just be A350s, A380s and B777 and maybe, B787. I'll give Emirates credit for trying to be No. 1 and it appears to be winning the first battle in being the dominant carrier in the Mid East already. I don't think Emirates will collapse sooner or later. We have to accept that this century will belong to Asia, Africa and Latin America, with passenger traffic only just beginning to grow, airlines may have to be large to suit this huge potential increase in travel.

November 4th, 2007, 08:50 AM	#107
isaidso the new republic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The United Provinces of America Posts: 18,892 Likes (Received): 450	It was a bit of an eye opener to find out that they don't pay their staff properly. It shouldn't have come as a shock considering that the UAE is pretty much a country where slavery is not only tolerated, but widely practiced. Pay scales in Dubai are also based on whether you are white, black, or Indian. A good friend of mine worked there for an architecure firm. He said it was very disturbing. He still gets messages from Pakistani's he met begging him to rescue them. They've been pretty much caged in a worker compound for years. Their passports were seized upon entry so that they couldn't flee back to Pakistan. These aren't isolated incidents, but widespread practices. People from the UAE should be ashamed. Disgusting! I won't be travelling to Dubai as long as this continues.

November 4th, 2007, 09:00 AM	#109
luv2bebrown Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Unknown Posts: 2,393 Likes (Received): 18	emirates will be going public in the near future. that will put an end to the subsidies accusations

November 5th, 2007, 11:44 PM	#118
killerk Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,319 Likes (Received): 22	Having been a former UAE resident (20 out of the 27 years of my life), The airline and city of Dubai have been following the same planning model as that of Singapore. "A strong hub-spoke paradigm in the aviation field" and "City as a private for-profit entity". In my opinion Singapore laid the foundation stone for the theory and Dubai fine-tuned it in their direction..... IMO The credit goes to Singapore for taking the risk and setting standard for the others: Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha, Kuala Lumpur amongst others.

November 6th, 2007, 04:45 AM	#119
Epi Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,614 Likes (Received): 9	As great as all this is... what about global warming? Everytime I read about how Dubai is going to so massively expand, I only think at how much more pollution and emissions that's going to add to this world. The world 50 years from now will be very different from today.

November 9th, 2007, 01:32 AM	#120
ACT7 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 899 Likes (Received): 5	People, don't think for a second Dubai is alone in it's treatment of immigrants. While it is definitely true that there is a class structure in Dubai, that rings truw for most of the middle east. I'm not agreeing in principle with the fact that immigrants are exploited, but the reality is that no one is holding a gun to the head of Indians and Pakistanis who go to Dubai to work on construction sites and be servants to wealthy Arabs. Don't know if any of you had the pleasure of being to India or Pakistan, but no matter how unfair the treatment may be of certain cultures in Dubai, the life is better than it is in Calcutta or Karachi. I live in Canada, and don't think for a second that new Third World immigrants to Canada have much help. They often live in squalor and have been promised all sorts of things that never come true. I think we should be criticizing the countries of origin, not the countries that let people come in. Anyway, wasn't this an EK thread??