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Old November 7th, 2006, 10:50 PM   #121
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What Equipment would Emirates use for a Direct or stop Over service to Toronto? Emirates have both Boeing and Airbus variants ex. Boeing 777 200ER/300ER'S and Airbus A340-500's. To maximize profability which aircraft do you all deem suitable for the nonstop or stopover route direct to Canada!!!!
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Old November 8th, 2006, 01:05 AM   #122
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What Equipment would Emirates use for a Direct or stop Over service to Toronto? Emirates have both Boeing and Airbus variants ex. Boeing 777 200ER/300ER'S and Airbus A340-500's. To maximize profability which aircraft do you all deem suitable for the nonstop or stopover route direct to Canada!!!!
In my opinion, there's no question the 777 is more fuel efficient for a non-stop to Toronto, but they may use the 340-500 since it's the same aircraft that they use for the JFK run. Personally I would like to see another A340-500 in Toronto.
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Old November 8th, 2006, 10:44 PM   #123
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Yeah the Boeing 777 is more fuel efficient, but does Emirates have a full pax on the 777 to have them deliver on time service though. The Airbus A340-513 seems to be doing an excellent job for Emirates but doesn't the Airbus A340-513 burn more fuel than boeing 777?
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Old November 9th, 2006, 01:10 AM   #124
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Hmm your site does not seem to work nitzomoe, but I do remember seeing their "Future Destination" page having Vancouver in their plan.......
they havent publisized their 2007 routes yet.
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Yeah the Boeing 777 is more fuel efficient, but does Emirates have a full pax on the 777 to have them deliver on time service though. The Airbus A340-513 seems to be doing an excellent job for Emirates but doesn't the Airbus A340-513 burn more fuel than boeing 777?
The A340-513 burns a lot more fuel than the 777 but on a flight that long I think Emirates would need the newer 777-LR instead of the T7's they've got right now. As far as pax, I don't think Emirates is flying at capacity right now on a lot of their routes. They fly to some really bizarre places. Their strategy seems to be to fly to as many places as possible without concern for load factors. Having said that, I do think Toronto would be a very profitable destination for them. Just look at how booked the Etihad flights have been. I read for the full year from Oct '05 to Oct '06 the loads for Etihad to Toronto were 72%, but since I believe about March '06 they've been flying at almost 100% capacity.
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Etihads load factor for economy is well over 80% for that flight, pretty good.
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Old November 9th, 2006, 05:48 AM   #127
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they havent publisized their 2007 routes yet.
I actually saw that page like a year ago....they probably took that page away and decided to change their plans >_<
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Old November 12th, 2006, 03:27 AM   #128
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...ok?

if a bilateral agreement had been signed there should have been a well publicised press release, which i cant seem to find. Hopefully the rumors of Etiahd expanding to daily are true, flights are overbooked sometimes 3 months in advance.
i don't know if this answers but it is sort of related:

New Open Skies Policy Expected Next Month
Many countries hope Canada will include them in a new transportation policy that will create more direct flights, encouraging tourism and trade.
The government is expected to announce by Christmas a new policy on air travel that many hope will open up Canada's skies to foreign carriers, but which domestic carriers fear could severely damage the country's airline industry.

Stakeholders had until today to submit comments on a proposed open skies policy, which would lift restrictions for select countries and create direct flights between Canada and destinations like Jordan and Iceland.

An open skies policy would see Canada negotiate reciprocal agreements with other countries. The agreements would remove various restrictions, facilitate more direct flights with previously unserviced parts of the world, and allow airlines to land in Canada and continue onto other destinations.

Canada currently has open skies agreements with the United States and United Kingdom. At the same time, the U.S. has 77 agreements, New Zealand has 10, Singapore has nine, and even Chile has seven. The European Union has a complete open skies regime.

Iceland used to have direct flights to Halifax years ago, says Iceland's ambassador to Canada, Markus ?rn Antonsson, but the route proved uneconomical and was cancelled. Icelander airlines has expressed interest in restarting the route, but Air Canada has to give official notice it does not want to fly the route before the European airline can move forward.

"This lack of interest from Air Canada should not be the reason there are no connections," Mr. Antonsson says. "This is very inconvenient because there is no direct link; we have to go to the U.S."

Iceland put forward a proposal to the Canadian government in recent months, and while it has received approval to fly between Reykjavik and Halifax three times a week starting in May 2007, Mr. Antonsson says an open skies policy would hopefully lead to flight to other Canadian cities.

Not only would the move increase tourism and trade between the countries, Mr. Antonsson says, an open skies policy would help Iceland better position itself towards becoming a transport hub between North America and Europe.

"I think they have four or five draft proposals [from different countries] on the table." Mr. Antonsson says. "Iceland would be in that four or five. We expect things will start going ahead shortly after [today]."

Jordanian Ambassador Nabil Ali Barto says his country has also put forward a proposal, and while two flights per week between Amman and Montreal are scheduled to start next May, the large number of Canadians with links to the Middle East makes more direct flights extremely viable.

"We approached the government on this," he says. "We have a positive feeling on this. Such a policy will be beneficial to both countries' tourism and trade."


Not Every Country Will Be Included

Transport Canada spokeswoman Lucie Vignola says the consultation that ends today is gauging immediate thoughts on an open skies policy and more consultations will be conducted after. "I would be expecting an announcement around Christmas."

While Ms. Vignola would not comment on what specific country proposals are being considered, news reports indicate that in addition to Iceland and Jordan, Panama, Australia, Germany and Singapore have also expressed interest.

But Ms. Vignola warns that not every country will be included.

"We will do it where it makes sense," she says.

Jim Facette, president and CEO of the Canadian Airports Council, which has been actively pushing for such a policy, said in a statement that open skies would only help Canada's airports and the communities they serve.

"We look forward to implementation of a policy that will facilitate a more competitive Canada, resulting in economic benefits for the communities airports service," he said.

"Canadian airports are busy actively marketing their communities to air carriers of the world, and what we have asked for is an international air policy framework for Canada that allows these communities to compete fairly and take advantage of the opportunities available."

But along with the high hopes have come some warnings from some parts of the Canadian airline industry.

Fred Gaspar, vice-president of policy and strategic planning at the Air Transport Association of Canada, says the Canadian industry is at a severe disadvantage with carriers in other countries and opening up the skies could cause irreparable damage.

"The Canadian industry does not shy away from competition," he says. "The problem is, we're not cost competitive."

Excessive taxes on gas, airport rental fees and the air traveler security charge, which Mr. Gaspar says is one of the highest in the world, have all contributed to a weak airline industry in Canada and opening up the country's skies will only wreck havoc on the industry.

Changing some of those things, which Mr. Gaspar says the government has indicated it might, would be a step in the right direction. Otherwise, "we think it would be quite damaging to Canada's economy."

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Old November 12th, 2006, 10:05 AM   #129
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yep it was posted elsewhere on ssc. doesnt say anything specifically about Dubai or UAE so its still up in the air.
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Old November 12th, 2006, 11:17 PM   #130
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I believe a Bilateral agreement was signed sometime ago with the U.A.E. and come to think of it isn't the Dubai route profitable anyways because of the large influx of Canucks in Dubai interms of business.
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I believe a Bilateral agreement was signed sometime ago with the U.A.E. and come to think of it isn't the Dubai route profitable anyways because of the large influx of Canucks in Dubai interms of business.
That and the large Indo-Canadian population that would fly Emirates to Dubai and connect elsewhere.
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Old November 15th, 2006, 07:48 AM   #132
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I was collecting tickets yestarday from Emirates and saw their new promo video and it says 2007 Dubai to Vancouver Non-stop on the new A346
So there you go issues solved>
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I was collecting tickets yestarday from Emirates and saw their new promo video and it says 2007 Dubai to Vancouver Non-stop on the new A346
So there you go issues solved>
Toronto has a much larger south Asian / ME population, so the Vancouver/Dubai route doesnt make sense.
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Old November 15th, 2006, 05:01 PM   #134
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I was collecting tickets yestarday from Emirates and saw their new promo video and it says 2007 Dubai to Vancouver Non-stop on the new A346
So there you go issues solved>
thats one long flight. u sure its non-stop?

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Toronto has a much larger south Asian / ME population, so the Vancouver/Dubai route doesnt make sense.
the new agreement might limit foreign airlines to specific airports.
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I was collecting tickets yestarday from Emirates and saw their new promo video and it says 2007 Dubai to Vancouver Non-stop on the new A346
So there you go issues solved>
I doubt very much that Emirates would fly to Vancouver first over Toronto (or even Montreal for that matter), especially non-stop. Straight from an Emirates Airlines employee, Emirates is likely to enter the Toronto market by summer of 2007 with 3 times weekly service. There was no clarity as to whether or not it would be direct or via Europe.
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maybe its related to the big Dubai purchase in vancouver and its promise to build and invest in vancouver
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maybe its related to the big Dubai purchase in vancouver and its promise to build and invest in vancouver
I'd be surprised if that alone warrants a non-stop to a city.
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Old November 16th, 2006, 02:51 AM   #138
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I'd be surprised if that alone warrants a non-stop to a city.
I wouldnt be surprised, regardless of what Emirates does, at the very least I hope Etihad can have daily flights.
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I wouldnt be surprised, regardless of what Emirates does, at the very least I hope Etihad can have daily flights.
Yah, I'd like to see at least one of those two have daily flights. It'd be nice to see another gulf airline make its way over here too.
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I wouldnt be surprised, regardless of what Emirates does, at the very least I hope Etihad can have daily flights.
Etihaad is planning daily TO-AbuDhabi flights in 2007.
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