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Old May 23rd, 2014, 07:26 PM   #1681
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Etihad's secret Abu Dhabi royal family loan revealed

Etihad Airways received massive financial support from the royal family of Abu Dhabi contrary to long-standing denials, documents obtained by Fairfax Media show.

The state-owned airline had access to a secret, interest-free $US3 billion ($3.3 billion) loan from the Abu Dhabi ruling family that required no repayments until 2027, according to documents prepared for prospective financiers.

Qantas Airways has long accused Etihad of predatory behaviour funded by large subsidies from the Gulf state.

Etihad chief executive James Hogan has repeatedly denied that the airline is subsidised.
"We are a government-owned *carrier but we have been established and have to run as a commercial business. We get no state-funded handouts," he said at Washington's International Aviation Club in 2009.

Etihad's denials that it is financially propped up by its owners have been questioned by rivals like Qantas Airways, which has accused the airline of predatory behaviour funded by large subsidies from the Gulf state.
Qantas is seeking the removal of foreign investment restrictions to free it to raise capital and compete with Etihad and other state-owned airlines.
A review prepared by management consultants Booz & Co in 2010, which was presented to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, shows Etihad used special deductions to post its first profit, of $US14 million, in February 2012.
The review was shared among the Prince's executive council of advisers.
Another document, from 2011, was presented to potential lenders during private meetings in New York, London and Sydney and has since circulated among the management ranks of Etihad's competitors, such as Qantas and Emirates. Industry sources provided the documents to the Financial Review.
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Better to take a hand out from the Sheikh and charge competitive fares than to squeeze the passengers like they do in the US....next here they will have a credit card machine to use the "lavatories"....
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Old May 23rd, 2014, 08:20 PM   #1682
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Thats because US airlines has to make money to stay alive.
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Old May 23rd, 2014, 10:56 PM   #1683
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not when they make 2.5 billion dollars (for the airline division alone) profit a year!!

http://atwonline.com/finance-amp-dat...013-net-profit

When its numbers like these, that's just ripping people off....FYI, on Etihad, Emirates and Qatar flights to Asia, Africa and Australia from North America, 2 bags fly free (50+50..100 pounds), 3 meals are served complete with the passengers' choice of wines and they set the standard for comfortable seats on long haul flights...(Qatar has 3+4+3 seat config. with more leg space than any other airline on their 777-200LRs)

If it were'nt for them, we would be flying cattle class (12 or more people in a row) pay for pretzels and bottled water on a 15.5 hour flight (that is the flight time from Houston to Qatar or UAE) and get a fine of 100$ if the bag exceeded dimension by 1/2 an inch!!

Also US based long haul carriers have only focused on business travelers and hence only fly to major business hubs around the world. People are on their own pretty much after that to get to their secondary destinations.....It is always about the money......They don't realize people travel to see family as well......
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Old May 24th, 2014, 02:06 AM   #1684
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I was wondering, why Gulf carriers such as Emirates seemed to have shunned passenger version of Boeing 747-400 in 1990s?
Qatar Airways did have 2 747SP (not -400) in the early to mid-1990s. They are both scrapped today.

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Old May 24th, 2014, 06:30 AM   #1685
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That looks more like Boeing 747-200.

I think the firs gulf airlines that shaped the modern day image of gulf airlines must be Emirates. I remember back in 1990s, they were well known for their excellent cabin service and amenities. Later several other airlines also joined the suit.
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Old May 24th, 2014, 06:47 AM   #1686
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Yeah the pic isn't of an SP.
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Old May 24th, 2014, 09:47 AM   #1687
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Thats because US airlines has to make money to stay alive.
Let's see:

1) Pay for a nice flight out of my pocket
2) Have some Arab sheikh pay part of my ticket

It's a VERY easy choice...
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Old May 27th, 2014, 12:45 AM   #1688
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Qatar Airways B787-8 (A7-BCG)
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Old May 28th, 2014, 04:24 PM   #1689
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Old May 28th, 2014, 04:26 PM   #1690
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 05:18 PM   #1691
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INAUGURAL Etihad Airways Airbus A340-500 Landing LAX [A6-EHA]

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Old June 6th, 2014, 04:36 AM   #1692
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Old June 11th, 2014, 08:44 AM   #1693
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Emirates decided that it's going to be an A380 & 777 only airline.
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Airbus and Emirates Airline agree to cancel A350 XWB order

11 June 2014 Press Release

Airbus confirms that Emirates Airline has decided to cancel its order of 70 A350 XWB aircraft*. The decision follows on-going discussions with the airline in light of their fleet requirement review, as demonstrated by their order of 50 additional A380 at the last Dubai Airshow and their continuous interest in the program.

Airbus and Emirates Airline benefit from a long-standing relationship and the airline recently reiterated its confidence in Airbus products particularly by praising the A380 and the benefits the aircraft brings to their operations.

The order of 50 A350-900 and 20 A350-1000 was originally placed by Emirates Airline in 2007 with first delivery slots scheduled from 2019.

Airbus is very confident in its A350 XWB programme. Half a year before entry into service, the A350 XWB order book stands at a healthy 742 firm orders. The A350 flight test campaign is progressing well and is on track for Type Certification in the coming months.

Interest in the game changing A350 has always been very high with customers. Airbus expects the A350 order book to continue growing in 2014.
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...350-xwb-order/


This probably means that the 777X order is almost ready to be firmed up.
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Old June 11th, 2014, 09:46 AM   #1694
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I'm not sure there was ever a firm commitment to the airplane.

It seemed obvious to most that the large airbus orders had options to shift between types as necessary. Emirates is dedicating itself to the 380 by investing heavily in the program and as long as the planes are full seems to be paying itself off. Other airlines are certainly struggling at this stage to make a 380 fleet efficient enough to order in large numbers.

The 350 delivery which was pushed further and further back to the point where it now encroaches on the 777-8/9 schedule and negated the 350's purpose somewhat.

It seems the whole EK fleet will settle at a smaller size than originally planned which can't be good for potential joiners... What will be the time to command now?
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Old June 11th, 2014, 10:18 AM   #1695
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I don't think cancellation has anything gotta do with A350.

Its seems Emirates has over played it hand in ordering those many ACs. They seem to be maturing as a company. Its not all about the new aircrafts and having it all.

They realise they don't need smaller aircrafts as much cos they can comfortably fill larger aircrafts in most routes and the fact that they aren't moving from DXB, so they need to utilise each available slot to the bestest. Also they need to to have smaller fleet size to keep costs down.

Honestly their growth is also going to slow down, there aren't too many places left to go and countries/governments don't want to give them more slots (eg India). Growth will come from using larger aircrafts on existing routes.

In the next 5 years I see all 330s-340s-777-200s retire and fleet being about 777s (300-8-9) and 380s. It sounds more efficient.

I do see more possible orders for heavily discounted 777-300 ERs in the last years of productions and perhaps A330 NEO (Airbus is not letting them scot free without a rider...besides the A380 orders which is keeping the programme alive!)
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Old June 11th, 2014, 11:37 AM   #1696
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Wasn't A350's role to start routes before they could be upgraded to 777X or A380? Which plane will now be used to start new routes?
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Old June 11th, 2014, 12:37 PM   #1697
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Old June 12th, 2014, 02:53 AM   #1698
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