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Old September 21st, 2013, 11:40 PM   #2121
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Why have Class 490 trains been withdrawn?
Fissures (is that the correct technical English word? ) in bogies.

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Is it a temporary measure or permanent withdrawal from service?
We don´t know yet.
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Old September 21st, 2013, 11:43 PM   #2122
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Fissures in bogies.
Ah...

Sounds like the ICE-T a couple of years ago, they've had their axles replaced and are circulating again.
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We don´t know yet.
I guess those trains will be put back in service with the bogies replaced.

Renfe Integria could contact Dutch Railways, we have some high speed trains that we're no longer using, maybe Integria can reuse the bogies
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 12:08 AM   #2123
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Ah...

Sounds like the ICE-T a couple of years ago, they've had their axles replaced and are circulating again.
Class 490 are similar to the Portuguese Alfa Pendular, which had the same problem...

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Renfe Integria could contact Dutch Railways, we have some high speed trains that we're no longer using, maybe Integria can reuse the bogies
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Old September 25th, 2013, 06:14 AM   #2124
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Madrid-Galicia HSL.

Pictures in Zamora station (1st) and between Zamora and La Hiniesta (2nd).
They´re moving the classic line a bit to make room for the HSL tracks.

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Old September 25th, 2013, 08:38 PM   #2125
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Madrid-Extremadura(-Lisbon) HSL.

HSL platform between Cáceres and Aldea del Cano (south of Cáceres):
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There is a missing part in these works , at a place where the classic line cuts the HSL. Here:

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Section between Cáceres and Plasencia (north of Cáceres).
The 'smaller' viaduct at Cañaveral, just next to the bigger one, posted some time ago:

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Old September 25th, 2013, 08:48 PM   #2126
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Is opening of any new stretches (either high speed or classical), finishing of major station renovations, electrification etc. expected to happen next year?

If I remember correctly from the discussion earlier this year most "major events" were forecast for 2015/2016 or later. But perhaps something after all?
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And thanks a lot for keeping us informed here. Of course there are very active Spanish threads, but it's a lot more effort to find things there for those of us who don't speak the language.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 09:37 PM   #2128
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Is opening of any new stretches (either high speed or classical), finishing of major station renovations, electrification etc. expected to happen next year?

If I remember correctly from the discussion earlier this year most "major events" were forecast for 2015/2016 or later. But perhaps something after all?
Next year, if not before, we should get the direct Spain-France TGV and AVE services, too... or maybe not, who knows.

For the rest, I´d say 2015 for the following stretches:

-HSL La Encina (Villena)-Xativa-Valencia (which would cut travel time in half between Valencia and Alicante for Euromed services, which by then would likely be rechristened as Alvia. Works have halted lately though).

-HSL Olmedo junction-Zamora (which would mean cutting the travel time by at least 30min on the Madrid-Galicia services).

-HSL Antequera Santa Ana-Granada (except the Loja sector, which would be done via the classic line. It seems it´s been given priority since there are EU funds at stake).

And maybe (only maybe):

-Valladolid-Venta de Baños-Leon/Burgos (definitely not sure, maybe only the Leon branch, or maybe only Valladolid-Venta de Baños-Palencia on the Leon branch).

-Zamora-Pedralba de la Pradería junction (not sure, but works there are speeding up quite a bit lately. If that were true then the Madrid-Galicia services would cut travel time for an extra 45min or so).

Anyway, all of this is just pure crystal-ball gazing.

For the rest, I´ll be happy to answer at the SPAIN | Railways thread. Just put the same question.

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Don´t mention.
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Next year, if not before, we should get the direct Spain-France TGV and AVE services, too... or maybe not, who knows.
Yeah sure, one hopes that at least next year... Did Renfe/SNCF eventually give a meaningful explanations about what the problem really is? I've heard something about incompatibility of signalling systems.

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-HSL Antequera Santa Ana-Granada (except the Loja sector, which would be done via the classic line. It seems it´s been given priority since there are EU funds at stake).
But the entire thing will be in standard gauge, correct?


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-Valladolid-Venta de Baños-Leon/Burgos (definitely not sure, maybe only the Leon branch, or maybe only Valladolid-Venta de Baños-Palencia on the Leon branch).
Is that the section containing Pajares base tunnel?
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Yeah sure, one hopes that at least next year... Did Renfe/SNCF eventually give a meaningful explanations about what the problem really is? I've heard something about incompatibility of signalling systems.
Total secrecy on both sides of the border.

For what we know, the AVE and TGV keep on doing their homologation tests, precisely this week the TGV 802 (of the 2N2 3UH Euroduplex class), was spotted at quarter to midnight at Barcelona-Sants station by another forumer.

Just wait and see, it´s our only choice.

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But the entire thing will be in standard gauge, correct?
Correct, they´re going to electrify the Bobadilla-Granada classic line in that sector, and put a third rail in the sections that the AVE will use too.
Luckily, that line is diesel.

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I guess my Spanish geography still needs improving...
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I guess my Spanish geography still needs improving...
No, you were not that wrong (that´s north of Leon, the Pajares tunnel, and it´s officially expected to have a partial opening by 2015... officially ).

I was actually thinking aloud, in fact (well, writing aloud).

The Pajares base tunnel project is a big ****-up, I doubt it will open in 2015.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 12:06 AM   #2133
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As far as tunnel ****-ups go there is some stiff competition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallandsås_Tunnel

I hope you don't come close to that one...

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As far as tunnel ****-ups go you there is some stiff competition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallandsås_Tunnel

I hope you don't come close to that one...
As far as I know, there are no cancer things involved...

But YES, we do come close.

It was started in 2005, both tubes were bored by 2009.
The main Pajares tunnel is 24,600 m long, not counting other tunnels on the new line (12 more tunnels, for a total length of 15,815m).
That makes a total of 40,415 m of tunnels (and I´m counting them all as single-tube, which is NOT the case).

One of the tubes in the main Pajares tunnel is full of water, and as a result, rivers, wells and sources on the south side of the tunnel (which used to flow into Castile & Leon and then Portugal) have dried or flow much less than they used to, while all that water flows now into Asturias and the Atlantic.

Besides, there is a serious problem with a landslide on a trench at Campomanes (between the northern mouth of the tunnel and Pola de Lena station, where it meets the classic line).

By now, the costs have passed €3.2 billion.

By 2015 (that is, if they solve the landslide problem, which is not easy), the Pajares new line would open with only one tube in operation (the dry one), and third rail.
But I don´t believe it.
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well, after reading about Hallandsås tunnel... the Pajares tunnel seems really cheap...

1.2 billion € for a less than 9 kilomenters tunnel!

How much might cost a comparable tunnel in Spain?
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It depends, the cost of everything is higher in Sweden.

And that does not make the Pajares failure a success. Because it is a failure.
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Basque 'Y' HSL.

The Deba viaduct, near Bergara (don´t know which branch of the 'Y' is this):

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Same picture in higher resolution here:

http://www.4shared.com/download/RXGE...cto_DEBA_1.jpg
Photos of the Astepe and Euba (Amorebieta) viaducts (section Bergara-Bilbao):

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http://www.abc.es/economia/20130930/...309272134.html

MAD BCN rail vs plane rises to 57 % in july an MAD SEVILLE is around 90 %
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Migration from one mode of transport to another seems to take too much time in Spain. I think after 5 years of operation rail vs plane should be higher between Madrid and Barcelona.
Naturally, the ridiculous prices charged by the RENFE on the AVE connections were a major obstacle. I hope soon the balance between MAD and BCN will become normal (+- 75/80% for rail)
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Does that statistic include air passengers who are only making a flight connection in either city?

I also think Iberia put some fast-turn-on flights on that route, where you only need to show up 25 min in advance if you don't have luggage.
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