daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Railways

Railways (Inter)national commuter and freight trains



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old October 7th, 2013, 05:54 PM   #2161
alserrod
Bienvenue à Saragosse
 
alserrod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Zaragoza
Posts: 59,821

Providing the refund should be done because delayed train AND you have payed with a credit card, you can ask for your money online. No need to go to any station

(otherwise, paying in cash, other type of mis-services, etc... requires to go to a station)

One forumer wasn't used to take a train and said that train had arrived with a delay. It wasn't too much the refund and no wonder to go to the station for that money.

But another forumer wrote the link to ask the refund and... it was up!.
Forumer was thanked to have a quick online refund.
__________________
Ya ves que fuimos puente herido de abrazos detenidos por ver la libertad


(José A. Labordeta 1935 - 2010)
alserrod no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old October 8th, 2013, 07:25 PM   #2162
Shenkey
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Frankfurt am Main
Posts: 989
Likes (Received): 2101

Quote:
Originally Posted by 437.001 View Post
Most of them don´t know about this policy, which sometimes is applied in classic trains too.

On the other hand though, travel times could be faster if they had tighter timetables, but they would also be more prone to delays.
better to have train that lasts 15min longer then it being 15min late
Shenkey no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 9th, 2013, 09:09 AM   #2163
K_
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 2,744
Likes (Received): 243

Quote:
Originally Posted by 437.001 View Post
That´s part of the trick.
Renfe plays with the timetables, giving AVE trains longer stopping times at the stations to be more on time.
It is a smart thing to do. Punctuality is more important than speed. However, given their good punctuality Renfe should shy away from selling more tickets involving tight connections.
__________________

437.001 liked this post
K_ no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 13th, 2013, 07:53 PM   #2164
437.001
Sister Greed U
 
437.001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the road (Spain)
Posts: 32,020
Likes (Received): 15448

Basque "Y" HSL.

Photos of the Deba viaduct, near Bergara.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BPT View Post


__________________
&&& abcde PMR en Cat ImpTgn Cat2017
Everybody got a job to lose (A.E, Vision Thing, WEA, 1990)
437.001 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old October 13th, 2013, 09:52 PM   #2165
437.001
Sister Greed U
 
437.001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the road (Spain)
Posts: 32,020
Likes (Received): 15448

Basque "Y" HSL.

Photos from the works at Aramaio valley.
This is located between Vitoria and the junctions of the "Y".
It will be used by trains coming from Vitoria and bound for San Sebastian/Hendaye, and also by trains coming from Vitoria and bound for Bilbao.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Axaber View Post




__________________
&&& abcde PMR en Cat ImpTgn Cat2017
Everybody got a job to lose (A.E, Vision Thing, WEA, 1990)

foxmulder liked this post

Last edited by 437.001; October 13th, 2013 at 10:00 PM.
437.001 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old October 14th, 2013, 02:27 PM   #2166
AlexNL
Registered User
 
AlexNL's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 2,629
Likes (Received): 537

RENFE just announced that AVE currently holds 58.6% of the market share between Madrid and Barcelona

https://twitter.com/Renfe/status/389711789136433152
__________________
We are shaping the future

SAS 16, 437.001 liked this post
AlexNL no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 14th, 2013, 08:46 PM   #2167
Sunfuns
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Basel
Posts: 2,426
Likes (Received): 361

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexNL View Post
RENFE just announced that AVE currently holds 58.6% of the market share between Madrid and Barcelona

https://twitter.com/Renfe/status/389711789136433152
Is that only between trains and airplanes or are buses counted as well?
Sunfuns no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 14th, 2013, 10:11 PM   #2168
437.001
Sister Greed U
 
437.001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the road (Spain)
Posts: 32,020
Likes (Received): 15448

Good question, I´ll tell you in a short while.
__________________
&&& abcde PMR en Cat ImpTgn Cat2017
Everybody got a job to lose (A.E, Vision Thing, WEA, 1990)
437.001 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old October 15th, 2013, 02:03 AM   #2169
437.001
Sister Greed U
 
437.001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the road (Spain)
Posts: 32,020
Likes (Received): 15448


Sorry, it took me longer than expected (had to go out buy stuff, then do some house things)...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunfuns View Post
Is that only between trains and airplanes or are buses counted as well?
It´s only between trains and airplanes.

If we took all the modes (trains, airplanes, bus, private car), then trains+airplanes make less than 60% put together.
Private vehicles make around 1/3, and bus somewhere between 5% and 10%.

Counting all modes, train would be only around 35%.
__________________
&&& abcde PMR en Cat ImpTgn Cat2017
Everybody got a job to lose (A.E, Vision Thing, WEA, 1990)

Reivajar liked this post
437.001 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old October 15th, 2013, 02:52 AM   #2170
437.001
Sister Greed U
 
437.001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the road (Spain)
Posts: 32,020
Likes (Received): 15448

Madrid-Galicia HSL.
Section Olmedo junction-Zamora.

Some photos taken at the entrance to Zamora, on the Madrid side.
Sleepers have appeared.

Looking towards Zamora, with the city in hindsight:

Quote:
Originally Posted by BPT View Post


Looking towards Olmedo junction and Madrid:

Quote:
Originally Posted by BPT View Post


__________________
&&& abcde PMR en Cat ImpTgn Cat2017
Everybody got a job to lose (A.E, Vision Thing, WEA, 1990)

Suburbanist, Arnorian, foxmulder liked this post
437.001 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old October 15th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #2171
Sunfuns
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Basel
Posts: 2,426
Likes (Received): 361

Quote:
Originally Posted by 437.001 View Post

Sorry, it took me longer than expected (had to go out buy stuff, then do some house things)...



It´s only between trains and airplanes.

If we took all the modes (trains, airplanes, bus, private car), then trains+airplanes make less than 60% put together.
Private vehicles make around 1/3, and bus somewhere between 5% and 10%.

Counting all modes, train would be only around 35%.
Thanks. That's still pretty good and I expect the share of train vs plane to slowly grow further in the next 5-10 years until it reaches 70-75%. Given the distance and travel time that seems a reasonable assumption. The share of private traffic probably won't change much because if you are about to drive such a long distance then there are good reason for it (full car with people, need it on the other end etc). Buses will probably always be the cheapest option, unless fuel prices really go through the roof and if they do there will be much reduced overall travel.
Sunfuns no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 16th, 2013, 10:51 PM   #2172
437.001
Sister Greed U
 
437.001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the road (Spain)
Posts: 32,020
Likes (Received): 15448

Newspaper 'El Diario Vasco' article in Spanish about the Basque "Y" HSL, includes a video

Click here to read the article or watch the video
__________________
&&& abcde PMR en Cat ImpTgn Cat2017
Everybody got a job to lose (A.E, Vision Thing, WEA, 1990)
437.001 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old October 18th, 2013, 03:43 AM   #2173
437.001
Sister Greed U
 
437.001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the road (Spain)
Posts: 32,020
Likes (Received): 15448

News



Quote:
Spain to increase rail spending by 21% in 2014

RAIL will remain Spain's top transport priority in 2014 according to the Ministry of Public Works and Transport's draft budget published last week, accounting for 51% of the total planned investment of €8.98bn. Rail spending will increase by 21% from €3.78bn this year to €4.58bn in 2014.

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...ml?channel=522
__________________
&&& abcde PMR en Cat ImpTgn Cat2017
Everybody got a job to lose (A.E, Vision Thing, WEA, 1990)

foxmulder liked this post
437.001 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old October 18th, 2013, 12:00 PM   #2174
franciscoc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Madrid
Posts: 662
Likes (Received): 1501

This news is a shame because my country has a terrible economic crisis in social emergency.
It is reducing the budget for education, health, the pension.
The budget of the leading scientific body (CSIC) is minimal and the best scientific are migrating.
It is a scandal if we compare a percentage of GDP spent on high speed with other more developed European countries
with high-speed lines more passenger traffic
__________________

Ribarca liked this post
franciscoc no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 18th, 2013, 04:31 PM   #2175
Coccodrillo
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 7,200
Likes (Received): 768

In my opinion Spain should have been much more careful when building infrastructures (not only railways), however they are there, and many are still incomplete. The plan recently presented by Spanish government consists mainly in the activation of already partially built lines, building just the strict minimum necessary to use them, which is a good thing.

The only exception is the Galicia line, which will be built from scratch, but single track. As far I know, all other HSLs which will be opened in the next 10 years or so are already under construction, sometimes quite advanced.
__________________
1.6.2016: Basistunnel!

für Güter die Bahn ~ pour vos marchandises le rail ~ chi dice merci dice ferrovia
Coccodrillo no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 18th, 2013, 05:44 PM   #2176
Suburbanist
on the road
 
Suburbanist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: the rain capital of Europe
Posts: 27,539
Likes (Received): 21253

Still, overspending in infrastructure leaves a legacy that is more permanent than - say - overspending on administrative civil service... the rail lines, highways, housing will be there long after the crisis passes.
__________________
YIMBY - Yes, in my backyard!

SAS 16 liked this post
Suburbanist no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 18th, 2013, 06:43 PM   #2177
33Hz
Registered User
 
33Hz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 436
Likes (Received): 47

Exactly.
33Hz no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 18th, 2013, 08:17 PM   #2178
Sunfuns
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Basel
Posts: 2,426
Likes (Received): 361

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coccodrillo View Post
In my opinion Spain should have been much more careful when building infrastructures (not only railways), however they are there, and many are still incomplete. The plan recently presented by Spanish government consists mainly in the activation of already partially built lines, building just the strict minimum necessary to use them, which is a good thing.

The only exception is the Galicia line, which will be built from scratch, but single track. As far I know, all other HSLs which will be opened in the next 10 years or so are already under construction, sometimes quite advanced.
I agree with that, although I don't think railways were a main culprit (highways were worse, housing and public buildings much worse) but now it makes perfect sense to finish in a reasonably short time. Most of the Galicia line was started before the crisis as well. Also this kind of public spending preserves some extra employment and of course the newly built lines are likely to be used for another century at least.

By the way I think the worst part of the crisis is probably already over.
__________________

437.001, SAS 16 liked this post
Sunfuns no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 18th, 2013, 09:23 PM   #2179
XAN_
Registered User
 
XAN_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,034
Likes (Received): 760

And the railways tend to degrade mostly from use, unlike roads, that degrade reasonably both from use and environment. Well, south to 0 isoterm it may be less manifested, but still...
__________________
"I'm lost but still I know//There is another world"
-H. Kürsch, 1995
"Well, we all know there's no other side"
-H. Kürsch, 2002
XAN_ no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 18th, 2013, 10:28 PM   #2180
arctic_carlos
Recondita armonia
 
arctic_carlos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Sitges - Barcelona
Posts: 4,734
Likes (Received): 3975

Once all the HSL currently under construction are finished (around 2020) there will be no need of investing great sums in new lines, the main corridors will be already in service. I would say that the only necessary lines that are not currently under construction are Burgos - Vitoria and Valencia - Castellón. As I said, the rest of HSL (Galicia, Basque Y, Asturias, Murcia, Granada, Almería and luckily most parts of Extremadura) will be ready by 2020 or a few years later unless there is a crackdown.
__________________
Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.

Bertolt Brecht

Last edited by arctic_carlos; October 18th, 2013 at 10:33 PM.
arctic_carlos no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
adif, ave, high speed rail, spain in the world, valencia, zaragoza

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 06:19 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium