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Old December 19th, 2013, 12:41 AM   #2401
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Old December 19th, 2013, 05:08 AM   #2402
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Fastest direct travel times to French and Spanish regional capitals from Barcelona:

-BCN-Tarragona: 30min (parkway station)
-BCN-Girona: 37min
-BCN-Lleida: 57min
-BCN-Perpignan: 1h19
-BCN-Zaragoza: 1h23
-BCN-Carcassonne: 2h18
-BCN-Castellón: 2h25
-BCN-Madrid: 2h30
-BCN-Guadalajara: 2h39 (parkway station)
-BCN-Montpellier: 2h45
-BCN-Toulouse: 3h05
-BCN-Nimes: 3h18
-BCN-Valencia: 3h25
-BCN-Logroño: 3h40
-BCN-Avignon: 3h41 (parkway station)
-BCN-Ciudad Real: 3h42
-BCN-Pamplona: 3h45
-BCN-Valence: 4h15 (parkway station)
-BCN-Marseille: 4h17
-BCN-Córdoba: 4h38
-BCN-Vitoria: 4h38
-BCN-Lyon: 4h53
-BCN-Cuenca: 4h58 (parkway station)
-BCN-Alicante: 5h04
-BCN-Albacete: 5h24
-BCN-Sevilla: 5h25
-BCN-San Sebastián/Donostia: 5h33
-BCN-Burgos: 5h34
-BCN-Malaga: 5h50
-BCN-Bilbao : 6h20
-BCN-Paris: 6h25
-BCN-Palencia: 6h41
-BCN-Valladolid: 6h46
-BCN-Murcia: 6h49
-BCN-León: 7h46
-BCN-Oviedo: 10h12
-BCN-Granada: 11h11 (night train)
-BCN-Ourense: 11h37
-BCN-Santiago de Compostela: 12h20
-BCN-Coruña: 12h52
-BCN-Lugo: 12h54 (night train)

Cádiz, Cáceres, Huesca, Huelva, Teruel, Santander, Almería, Jaén, Mérida, Badajoz, Salamanca, Zamora, Pontevedra, Toledo, Soria, Segovia and Ávila don´t have direct rail services from Barcelona.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 12:03 PM   #2403
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I thought there were faster services from Barcelona to Valencia, just over 3 hours (besides the new non-stop service that takes only 2 hours 48 minutes).
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Old December 19th, 2013, 12:16 PM   #2404
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No, there is no HSL between Barcelona and Valencia.

With the coming upgrade, using the line to Madrid (till Tarragona), etc... they could have a 2 hours sevice.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 01:08 PM   #2405
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No, there is no HSL between Barcelona and Valencia. With the coming upgrade, using the line to Madrid (till Tarragona), etc... they could have a 2 hours sevice.
I know it perfectly, I'm from Barcelona. And I also read this weekend in the Spanish forum that a new non-stop service has been introduced linking the two cities in 2 h 48 minutes, without stopping in Tarragona and Castellón.

Anyway, Euromed services stopping at these two stations link Barcelona-Sants and Valencia in roughly 3 hours, not 3 hours and 25 minutes. Maybe the mistake in the previous post comes from having used Barcelona-Estació de França as deprture station instead of the mostly used Barcelona - Sants.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 01:19 PM   #2406
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It could be.

If I had to make a guess, when Altaria services from Madrid had as terminus Estacio de França, in the web, the total time was until that station, not until Sants.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 03:38 PM   #2407
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Well, technically the line between Vandellós and Castellón is not very different from the Madrid-Seville HSL. The difference is mostly due to the different electrification system (traditional 3000 V) which limits the top speed independently on the alignment and the existence of freight trains running on that line.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 06:01 PM   #2408
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Well, technically the line between Vandellós and Castellón is not very different from the Madrid-Seville HSL. The difference is mostly due to the different electrification system (traditional 3000 V) which limits the top speed independently on the alignment and the existence of freight trains running on that line.
The limiting factor is not the voltage, you can run a train at 300 km/h on 3000 V DC. There are streches between Tarragona and Valencia that could allow for higher speeds if the infrastructure was adequate. For example north of Sagunto the railway is practically dead straight and could allow for higher speeds. What you need to raise the speed limit is ETCS signaling system, higher tension catenaty and stabilizing the track for higher speeds. And also probably installing sound absorbing walls in populated areas.

Another thing is that even if you raised the max speed to 250km/h on all streches that geometrically allow for it, the accumulated time gain would be low, a few minutes at most.

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Old December 20th, 2013, 06:29 PM   #2409
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Discovery made a documentary on the high-speed crash
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Old December 20th, 2013, 07:57 PM   #2410
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The limiting factor is not the voltage, you can run a train at 300 km/h on 3000 V DC. There are streches between Tarragona and Valencia that could allow for higher speeds if the infrastructure was adequate. For example north of Sagunto the railway is practically dead straight and could allow for higher speeds. What you need to raise the speed limit is ETCS signaling system, higher tension catenaty and stabilizing the track for higher speeds. And also probably installing sound absorbing walls in populated areas.

Another thing is that even if you raised the max speed to 250km/h on all streches that geometrically allow for it, the accumulated time gain would be low, a few minutes at most.
Sure, there are three things which limits the speed on that line and makes the most important difference with the Madrid-Seville HSL: catenary, signaling system and track conditions which are optimized for the current speed limit. But all those things are relatively "cheaper" to change than a new track alignment.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 10:53 PM   #2411
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Quite, quite interesting Discovery documentary...
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 10:09 PM   #2412
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Madrid-Seville HSL (aka NAFA).
Perales del Río junction.

In this place we find the junction between the Madrid-Seville HSL and the skip-Madrid by-pass between the Madrid-Seville and Madrid-Barcelona HSLs.

Next to it we can see the platform for the future access from Torrejón de Velasco juntion (where Madrid-Valencia/Alicante HSL currently ends) to Madrid Chamartín station and beyond (Valladolid etc).

On the second picture we get to see the Perales del Río tunnel.

Work on the new platform and the Atocha-Chamartín HSR link is halted.

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Old December 23rd, 2013, 12:34 AM   #2413
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Some news about services given on board, starting December 1st.

AVE: on weekdays,
Classes offered: Turista, Turista+, Preferente, Club
Turista+ is the same that Preferente but without services on board. Turista is Second Class, Preferente is first class and Club is Premium.


AVE: on weekends,
Turista, Turista+ and Preferente
All "Preferente" seats are offered as "Turista+"
All "Club" seats are offered as "Preferente"


Meals on board.

A new company is given meals services and cafeteria.

On weekdays, meal (it can be breakfast, snack, lunch, dinner...) is offered for Preferente and Club (Preferente, only one menu available, Club is "à la carte").

On weekends (and Christmas and Summer) no meal service is offered. Thus ticket price is cheaper.
Instead of meal service they have a cafeteria trolley over all seats. They will offer menus based on sandwiches, snacks, drinks and other food, as well as you can buy only one thing if you want (or nothing if you take your sandwich and drink from home, for instance).
To be accurate, only "cold sandwiches" are offered there. Should you want a "hot sandwich" you may go to the cafeteria in the train, ask for it and back to the seat (or stay there if you want).

The service is the same, never mind if Second class or First class.

So meal service is offered only on weekdays in AVE and Euromed.


Alvia trains has no longer meal services since December 1st.

Alvia that had that service... is gone.
Alvia that hadn't that service... now they have improved service because cafeteria offer is enlarged (compared with last one)
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Spanish HSL network has several branching junctions. I want to know whether is it possible to run straight direct trains on the following routes without reversing them at a further station:

* Malaga - Sevilla
* Albacete - Valencia
* Toledo - Ciudad Real
* Medina del Campo (and everything west in the future) - Valladolid
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To my best knowledge, no one of them.

I asked about the direct Malaga-Seville and the reason is, building a new Seville-Antequera-Granada, will have nonsense direct one near Cordova.

On the other hand, I do not find any reason why Ciudad Real and Toledo are not linked.
No need to built a branch or so. Enough with a station in La Sagra (junction) and "jump" from a Puertollano-Madrid to a Madrid-Toledo.
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Spanish HSL network has several branching junctions. I want to know whether is it possible to run straight direct trains on the following routes without reversing them at a further station:

* Malaga - Sevilla
Not yet (Antequera-Seville HSL under construction, but works halted), you have to reverse at Cordoba.

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* Albacete - Valencia
Not yet, under construction.

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* Toledo - Ciudad Real
No, and it´s not planned nor thought about.

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* Medina del Campo (and everything west in the future) - Valladolid
Not yet, it´s planned but works haven´t started yet.
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News:

Albacete-Alicante HSL

Test runs of the ETCS-2 between Albacete and Alicante will start on Boxing Day (or St Stephen´s if you prefer, December 26 2013).

Top speed between Albacete and Alicante will be increased to 300 km/h.

Travel times between Madrid and Alicante will decrease from 2h20min to 2h05min.

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Old December 23rd, 2013, 10:56 PM   #2418
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The limiting factor is not the voltage, you can run a train at 300 km/h on 3000 V DC.
Technically yes, in fact it is used on 4 lines in Italy, but the EU will probably not allow it for new builds.
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Technically yes, in fact it is used on 4 lines in Italy, but the EU will probably not allow it for new builds.
However, there are drawbacks, especially if you want to run those lines with many trains pulling full power. It requires extensive additions of feeding points as the voltage drops a lot on sectors where many trains are circulating.
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For high speed lines, 25 kV (or 15 kV if your country uses that) is preferable, for the reasons stated above.
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