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Old January 2nd, 2014, 12:17 AM   #2461
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You is gettings wrong, gincanball. Lothlórien cannot into Iberian Peninsula.
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Only from Porto to Nine, and later to Braga is electrified.

From Nine to Valença-Tui border the line should be improved, or even building a new one is feasible. But in the short time the conventional line should be updated.

Building a new direct line from Porto to the inner part of the country could be really expensive.
The best Spain can expect from Portugal is that they electrify and upgrade the signalling between Nine and Valença do Minho.

That would greatly improve the travel time between Vigo and Porto, and even between Corunna and Lisbon.

And being optimistic, that they build the missing rail link between Evora and Elvas, electrified if possible.

That would help quite a lot the construction of the Madrid-Badajoz HSL, since it would at last make sense.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 12:26 AM   #2463
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 12:26 AM   #2464
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Yes, absolutely... furthermore, the updating of the line between Mérida and Puertollano has only full sense if considering the freight trains coming from Portugal...

Anyway, the new line between Evora and Elvas should be a really cheap line to be built. Even cheaper than improving the stretch from Nine to Valença do Minho.
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Yes, absolutely... furthermore, the updating of the line between Mérida and Puertollano has only full sense if considering the freight trains coming from Portugal...
I think upgrading the line between Puertollano and Castuera (not Mérida, between Mérida and Castuera the line is in excellent state) makes sense, regardless of the Portuguese.

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Anyway, the new line between Evora and Elvas should be a really cheap line to be built. Even cheaper than improving the stretch from Nine to Valença do Minho.
Er... no.

It would mean an effort from them, but I think they´re only going to put money into that once we electrify Medina-Vilar Formoso and they´re convinced that we´ve actually electrified it.

And even in that case, they could go and say that they´re not building anything between Evora and Elvas...
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 12:52 AM   #2466
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For Portugal the priority is for sure Vilar Formoso, as it is the most direct link to Europe and it has a well balanced location between Lisbon and Porto.
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The best Spain can expect from Portugal is that they electrify and upgrade the signalling between Nine and Valença do Minho.

That would greatly improve the travel time between Vigo and Porto, and even between Corunna and Lisbon.
It might be possible to attract a significant EU funding for such a project. Cross-border infrastructure links is a popular subject these days.
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It might be possible to attract a significant EU funding for such a project. Cross-border infrastructure links is a popular subject these days.
Even if that means getting EU money, I doubt Portugal would use it much for this.
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Of course if they are not interested at all in improved rail links with Spain then it won't happen.
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Spain and Portugal have a strange relationship.
We are in good terms, but not in 'normal' terms like we do with France or others.
We do get on well, even very well, but to each his own.
We tend to completely ignore their existence, and they tend to believe we´re just about to invade them.
And our psychatrist is lost for words.
It is the oldest European border.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 02:28 AM   #2472
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Well, our few terrestrial borders are pretty particular and different...

With France... ¿normal? Whatever normal is...
With Portugal... as normal as really old friends get along...
With Andorra... Andorra is not a conventional country... LOL (aka Spanish offshore financial center )
With UK in Gibraltar... for the Spanish government it is not a border, just a fence...
With Morocco... for Morocco they are sort of occupied territories and even don't like the idea of having a Spanish commercial customs for international trade...

A great diversity considering Spain hasn't too many neighbors...

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Well, you did invade them once…
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 02:29 AM   #2474
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Who? Spain to Portugal?
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Yes, wasn't there a single king for a while? Forgot which century...
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Yes, from 1580 to 1640: Philip II, Philip III and Philip IV were kings of Spain and Portugal at the same time, but it was not through invasion, but because the Portuguese crown hasn't direct heir and the closest descendants where the Spanish kings, linked to the Portuguese royal family as Charles V got married with with a Portuguese princess.
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Valladolid-Venta de Baños-Leon/Burgos classic main line and HSL.
Venta de Baños station (which won´t open for HSR in the first phase with single track).

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Red and gray: classic line.
Blue: HSL
Left, for Valladolid. Top right, for Palencia and Leon. Bottom right, for Burgos.

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Madrid-Barcelona-Figueres Vilafant HSL.

Trains (AVE S-100, AVE S-103 and TGV Duplex Dasye) near Llinars del Vallès, between Barcelona and Girona:

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