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Old March 22nd, 2014, 11:15 PM   #2701
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Do these calculations of air travel market share properly exclude all connections, including those on code-shares where the airlines might inform the destination of the passenger was just the other airport?

Madrid is a global flight hub, and Barcelona is an European flight hub with decent intercontinental destinations as well. Both are large cities, so chances are many price-competitive tickets from/to one of two cities involve a connection through the other. A person who is travelling Barcelona-Madrid-Los Angeles (for instance) pertains to a different travel market than people travelling between both cities only.

Now train travel might directly compete with connecting flights, but that only happens in larger numbers in airports with good long-distance train services like Frankfurt or Paris-Charles de Gaulle.

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Old March 22nd, 2014, 11:18 PM   #2702
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The challenge of managing capacity is lowering prices in a way that you don't bring down revenue for those paying higher ticket (e.g., managing the yield aka price discrimination - in the microecnomic sense)

Discount plans (which is what Renfe is doing indirectly with this 'pre-pay for travel credit and get discounts') are a way to do that. Putting some very cheap tickets on sale on the less busy trains is also a way to change the perceptions of 'train is expensive' (Trenitalia has been doing this with relative success last 3 years).
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 11:21 PM   #2703
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Do these calculations of air travel market share properly exclude all connections, including those on code-shares where the airlines might inform the destination of the passenger was just the other airport?

Madrid is a global flight hub, and Barcelona is an European flight hub with decent intercontinental destinations as well. Both are large cities, so chances are many price-competitive tickets from/to one of two cities involve a connection through the other. A person who is travelling Barcelona-Madrid-Los Angeles (for instance) pertains to a different travel market than people travelling between both cities only.

Now train travel might directly compete with connecting flights, but that only happens in larger numbers in airports with good long-distance train services like Frankfurt or Paris-Charles de Gaulle.

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In this sense, Barcelona airport is much better placed for taking advantage of the high speed line services than Madrid-Barajas airport.

Both are well connected to the cities and railway station through commuter trains and Metro (in the case of Madrid), but it is not planned for train+plane combined trips.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 03:13 AM   #2704
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When arriving in Barcelona, can people simply hop on to a connecting Cercanías/Rodalies service (to reach a suburb or neighborhood) or do they have to wait for an hour? Is local public transport well-integrated? Can I book a cab or rent a car which will wait for me upon arrival in Madrid? The Renfe product may be great between Barcelona and Madrid, but if auxiliary services are less attractive people will seek alternatives that are more convenient to them.

Here in the Netherlands, Dutch Railways are working on increasing the value of the overall chain. On lots of occasions they offer bikes for rent (at very reasonable prices) and in an ever expanding number of stations people can rent cars for which they pay using their public transport smartcard.

Facilities on and around station are worked on as well. ProRail is hard at work to make stations more attractive (by providing new, comfortable seats), free wifi is available at all intercity stations and in trains, and retail facilities at stations are ever-growing. People can buy coffee, clothes, food, whatever they want. At key locations such as Amsterdam Sloterdijk, Arnhem and many more places, NS have partnered with Regus to offer the NS Regus Station 2 Station service: flexible office space for rent at attractive prices where people can work and have meetings.

With the introduction of the nationwide public transport smartcard (the OV-chipkaart) it became possible to register how people travel. To cater for business users, NS is offering the "NS Business Card", one of the key features of the business card is that it allows for post-paid travel. Once a month an invoice is sent to the company tied to the Business Card, stating all trips made during the month. This reduces the burder which comes with the declaration of trips for both the passenger and the administration office. In Rotterdam, public transport operator RET has started a trial, offering post-paid payment to private customers. (Technically it should even become a possibility to determine if a season ticket would have been more interesting, but I am not sure if NS and RET are doing that or if they are planning to do so.)
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 03:58 AM   #2705
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When arriving in Barcelona, can people simply hop on to a connecting Cercanías/Rodalies service (to reach a suburb or neighborhood) or do they have to wait for an hour?
The current frequency to the Airport (T2) is one train every 30 min.
It depends wether the train is on the platform or not.

Metro L9 will son get there (to both T1 and T2). Politicians say by 2016.

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Can I book a cab or rent a car which will wait for me upon arrival in Madrid?

The Renfe product may be great between Barcelona and Madrid, but if auxiliary services are less attractive people will seek alternatives that are more convenient to them.

Here in the Netherlands, Dutch Railways are working on increasing the value of the overall chain. On lots of occasions they offer bikes for rent (at very reasonable prices) and in an ever expanding number of stations people can rent cars for which they pay using their public transport smartcard.

Facilities on and around station are worked on as well. ProRail is hard at work to make stations more attractive (by providing new, comfortable seats), free wifi is available at all intercity stations and in trains, and retail facilities at stations are ever-growing. People can buy coffee, clothes, food, whatever they want. At key locations such as Amsterdam Sloterdijk, Arnhem and many more places, NS have partnered with Regus to offer the NS Regus Station 2 Station service: flexible office space for rent at attractive prices where people can work and have meetings.

With the introduction of the nationwide public transport smartcard (the OV-chipkaart) it became possible to register how people travel. To cater for business users, NS is offering the "NS Business Card", one of the key features of the business card is that it allows for post-paid travel. Once a month an invoice is sent to the company tied to the Business Card, stating all trips made during the month. This reduces the burder which comes with the declaration of trips for both the passenger and the administration office. In Rotterdam, public transport operator RET has started a trial, offering post-paid payment to private customers. (Technically it should even become a possibility to determine if a season ticket would have been more interesting, but I am not sure if NS and RET are doing that or if they are planning to do so.)
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 04:07 AM   #2706
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Commuter trains frequencies depend on the destination you look for, but usually in central areas of urban areas commuter train network got metro frequencies. For the airports is not that usual, but waiting time is not excesive. In Madrid C-1 line to the airport has trains every 30 minutes too. In Málaga is around 20 min. Furthermore, if you get an AVE ticket, using the commuter train in your origin and destination (if existing) is included "for free" in the ticket, so integration is good, at least for Renfe network.

About other kind of integrated services in stations, they work more and more like airport terminals, so long term parking lots, common rent-car offices and other kind of stores are usual, specially in large stations.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 04:51 AM   #2707
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going back to topic...

Madrid-Asturias HSL.
Section Palencia-Leon.

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At Vilecha:

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At Vega de Infanzones:

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From the overpass of the former pic:

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Preliminary works for the ballast? I´ve tried to fins the expropriations in the BOE (Boletín Oficial del Estado -Spanish for 'Official State Bulletin') but they´re no longer there, although I remember they were supposed to be by the area on the pic:

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At Palanquinos station.

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And looking towards Palencia:

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Old March 23rd, 2014, 04:55 AM   #2708
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News!!!

The Villanueva de Córdoba-Los Pedroches new station, on the Madrid-Seville HSL, will open soon.

Six trains (three per direction) will call there. The opening of this station has been delayed for long, and is somewhat controversial, since no big town is nearby.

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Old March 23rd, 2014, 12:14 PM   #2709
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When arriving in Barcelona, can people simply hop on to a connecting Cercanías/Rodalies service (to reach a suburb or neighborhood) or do they have to wait for an hour?

All commuter areas have ticket included in the long distance ticket (AVE in this case). They'll give you a password to ask a free ticket.

How much will you wait?. It depends. Frequencies are one train every 30 minutes... you can reach just before departing or... it has just departed and have to wait 29 minutes for next one.

Arriving to any city with this service will help you. Maybe you will not reach your final destination but you can approach there and ask for another public service (local bus, underground) or a taxi. In the first case, you'll save time and fare will be a little cheaper. In the second case you'll save a lot of money. Providing you are going to somewhere in the south of Madrid you will easily have several lines with nice frequencies and it is affordable to make 30 km (or more) with a commuter train (free ticket with your AVE ticket), arriving to any town and looking for a local taxi there until final destination. Just think you much you have saved travelling 30 km in commuter (free ticket) instead of taxi.

If your destination is within Madrid you can approach final destination. Madrid has not integrated commuter and underground services. One ticket each service so people do not use both ones at the same time (except if you have a monthly forfait). If your ticket includes a commuter train you can use it to save time until the nearest station. You will have to pay an underground ticket but... once again, you'll save time.
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Old March 24th, 2014, 05:43 AM   #2710
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Madrid-Asturias HSL.
Palencia station.


Preliminary works, prior to laying the standard gauge tracks.
They´ll have to increase the height of the platforms, increase the length of platforms 2 and 4, and install a new bretelle point in platform 4 and the platform-less shorter track.
Platforms 1 and 2 will be in standard gauge, platform 4 and the platform-less through track, in Iberian gauge.

The pics were taken in order, walking from the east side of the station (the Madrid/Burgos side) to the west side (the Santander/Leon side), and then through the street with the level crossing to the south side:

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Madrid-Galicia HSL.
Section Olmedo junction-Medina del Campo AV.

I post this photo of not very good quality, because in it we can see the place, near Olmedo, where the HSL diverges from the old Segovia-Medina classic line, currently used as an access to/from the Madrid-Valladolid HSL for the trains from/to Galicia.

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Madrid-Galicia HSL (+ Medina del Campo-Zamora-Ourense classic line).
Zamora station.


Images of the changes at the station between March 2011 and March 2014 (in order, from top left to bottom right):

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Madrid-Toledo HSL.
Just outside Toledo station.

Again AVE trains have entered Toledo station, this time on special services from Barcelona and Malaga (in both cases calling and reversing at Madrid-Atocha before heading for Toledo).

These new special services have been created in the wake of an exhibition dedicated to the Greek painter Domenikos Theotokopoulos (known in Spain as El Greco).

AVE services from Albacete to Toledo (with reversal at Madrid-Atocha) were discontinued not long ago because of a bad response by the passengers between Madrid and Toledo. They stuck to the cheaper Avant services (back then, the new fare system hadn´t been implemented yet, so the AVE Albacete-Madrid-Toledo was rather expensive).

Avant services Madrid-Toledo though, are very successful, they´re usually full. Do book in advance if you plan to travel to Toledo.

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Madrid-Barcelona-Figueres Vilafant HSL.
Just next to the Mollet junction.

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News!!!

The Villanueva de Córdoba-Los Pedroches new station, on the Madrid-Seville HSL, will open soon.

Six trains (three per direction) will call there. The opening of this station has been delayed for long, and is somewhat controversial, since no big town is nearby.

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The new Villanueva de Córdoba-Los Pedroches station has opened today!!

It´s been an almost esoteric opening, Renfe announced it in a very small ad, kept it almost as a secret.
They mustn´t be very confident in it (nor am I).

This new station is born out of the wishes of the Andalusian regional government, the Ministry and Adif made it only at their request.
And Renfe has moved rather reluctantly, it seems.

The timetable for the new station goes as follows:

For Madrid:

One AVE Seville-Madrid at 07:16, another one at 22:13.
One Altaria Algeciras-Madrid at 12:26, another one at 18:38.

All of them non-stop till Madrid-Atocha.

For Cordova/Seville/Algeciras:

One AVE Madrid-Seville at 08:06, another one at 22:59. All calling at Cordova and Seville-Santa Justa.
One Altaria Madrid-Algeciras at 10:21, another one at 16:45. All calling at Cordova, Antequera-Santa Ana, Ronda, San Roque-La Línea, Algeciras.

Good luck to the new station.
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Nice construction pictures. Thanks for sharing.
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The timetable for the new station goes as follows:

For Madrid:

One AVE Seville-Madrid at 07:16, another one at 22:13.
One Altaria Algeciras-Madrid at 12:26, another one at 18:38.

All of them non-stop till Madrid-Atocha.

For Cordova/Seville/Algeciras:

One AVE Madrid-Seville at 08:06, another one at 22:59. All calling at Cordova and Seville-Santa Justa.
One Altaria Madrid-Algeciras at 10:21, another one at 16:45. All calling at Cordova, Antequera-Santa Ana, Ronda, San Roque-La Línea, Algeciras.
Timetable is decent considering the relatively low importance of this station. Let's see if there is an interest from those living in the area.
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Timetable is decent considering the relatively low importance of this station. Let's see if there is an interest from those living in the area.


Yes, but first, the station should have its accesses finished. They aren´t. The road isn´t paved yet.
And there´s no bus shuttle to the nearby towns and villages yet, the Andalusia regional government (who were the instigators of this station) hasn´t given the license to operate the bus shuttle to any company yet.

If it had been me, this station would have never opened.
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Yes, but first, the station should have its accesses finished. They aren´t. The road isn´t paved yet.
And there´s no bus shuttle to the nearby towns and villages.
That I didn't know… No reason to expect a lot of passengers under those circumstances.
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That I didn't know… No reason to expect a lot of passengers under those circumstances.
No reason indeed.
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