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Old April 6th, 2014, 06:58 PM   #2761
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By using the same dumb logic, why not taking a Madrid-Barcelona train to Montpellier (and so Marseille)?

And what´s the sense and purpose of any diametral train in Spain (say, Gijón-Madrid-Alicante)?

I just don´t get you. You´re from Madrid, and you´re... claiming for a worse service?

Do not forget that these are entirely new services. They´ll take some time for people to get accustomed to, and no, not in every country people get accustomed to novelties just as fast. Sometimes the habits are hard to change. And don´t forget that the HSLs isn´t finished yet.
Not a worse service. I mean, having all the current international services which currently start and end in Barcelona could be enlarged to Madrid too. It would mean, supposedly, a better service. But actually, which is the sense of enlarging the Marseille service and not the Toulouse or the Lyon train. They have researched about the people who are travelling between Madrid and Avignon, Aix and Marseille and they are more than people who are traveling between Madrid and Toulouse or Lyon? I am not sure. What I say is just that the fact of includying Madrid in the offer is mostly political and not practical. Currently, whithout a high speed line in Souther France between Perpignan and Nimes, travel times from Madrid to French destinations are not that good, except maybe Perpignan, Narbonne or Montpellier at most...

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Stats, according to this article from El País:

According to the article, around 146,000 people have used the new AVE/TGV services between Spain and France since they entered service.
According to the article, more than 50% of the passengers are French.

Most used routes, between December 2013 and March 2014:

Barcelona-Paris------------------130,000 passengers
Barcelona-Montpellier------------15,600 passengers
Barcelona-Narbonne---------------8,000 passengers
Barcelona-Toulouse----------------8,000 passengers
Barcelona-Marseille----------------4,800 passengers
Figueres-Paris----------------------4,300 passengers
Girona-Paris------------------------2,500 passengers
Madrid-Montpellier-----------------1,400 passengers
Madrid-Perpignan------------------1,100 passengers
Girona-Perpignan--------------------820 passengers
Madrid-Marseille---------------------600 passengers
Girona-Marseille---------------------400 passengers

No stats about Lyon (), Valence, Nimes, Avignon, Aix-en-Provence, Carcassonne.
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Old April 6th, 2014, 07:13 PM   #2763
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So? They are, yes, but that doesn´t mean that the services to/from Barcelona aren´t affected by them. They are, just as much as the others.
Of course, but isn't Marseille-Madrid train also used for domestic traffic between Barcelona and Madrid? If so then it's probably less reliable than all the others which don't use French classical lines. That's what I wanted to say with my previous post...
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Hmmmm, do you think that Madrid-Paris would get a good performance even with the current travel times?
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Old April 6th, 2014, 07:16 PM   #2765
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Not a worse service. I mean, having all the current international services which currently start and end in Barcelona could be enlarged to Madrid too. It would mean, supposedly, a better service. But actually, which is the sense of enlarging the Marseille service and not the Toulouse or the Lyon train. They have researched about the people who are travelling between Madrid and Avignon, Aix and Marseille and they are more than people who are traveling between Madrid and Toulouse or Lyon? I am not sure. What I say is just that the fact of includying Madrid in the offer is mostly political and not practical. Currently, whithout a high speed line in Souther France between Perpignan and Nimes, travel times from Madrid to French destinations are not that good, except maybe Perpignan, Narbonne or Montpellier at most...

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How are the services Barcelona-France doing so far? Are there any statistics released already?
...and we all kept on answering, without realising that this is an off-topic, there already is another thread dedicated to international services.
I´m answering you there
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We´ve gone far off-topic.
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Stats, according to this article from El País:

According to the article, around 146,000 people have used the new AVE/TGV services between Spain and France since they entered service.
According to the article, more than 50% of the passengers are French.

Most used routes, between December 2013 and March 2014:

Barcelona-Paris------------------130,000 passengers
Barcelona-Montpellier------------15,600 passengers
Barcelona-Narbonne---------------8,000 passengers
Barcelona-Toulouse----------------8,000 passengers
Barcelona-Marseille----------------4,800 passengers
Figueres-Paris----------------------4,300 passengers
Girona-Paris------------------------2,500 passengers
Madrid-Montpellier-----------------1,400 passengers
Madrid-Perpignan------------------1,100 passengers
Girona-Perpignan--------------------820 passengers
Madrid-Marseille---------------------600 passengers
Girona-Marseille---------------------400 passengers

No stats about Lyon (), Valence, Nimes, Avignon, Aix-en-Provence, Carcassonne.
I am a bit surprised that Barcelona-Paris services are dominating to such an extent. Looks like no one cares about going to those "2nd tier" French cities
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Old April 6th, 2014, 07:19 PM   #2767
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THIS IS OFF-TOPIC.

Let´s all move to the Eurostar and international services thread.
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Old April 6th, 2014, 07:19 PM   #2768
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We´ve gone far off-topic.
Oh, come on. It's still about Spain and railways, but sure we can continue in the other thread.
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That's France... Paris.... and the rest of the country...

Anyway, I would be interested in the Barcelona-Lyon travellers stats.
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THIS IS OFF-TOPIC.

Let´s all move to the Eurostar and international services thread.
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Old April 7th, 2014, 09:15 PM   #2771
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Jeez, you are so annoying.
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Old April 7th, 2014, 11:30 PM   #2772
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Basque "Y" HSL (Bilbao-Vitoria/Bilbao-San Sebastian/Vitoria-San Sebastian).

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Old April 8th, 2014, 12:25 AM   #2773
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Rumour:

Radio platform 9 3/4 says:

-Valladolid-Palencia HSL would open by January 2015.
-Palencia-Leon HSL would open by September 2015.
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News!!

Alsa (aka National Express) and Veloi Rail (aka Vueling) have obtained the license to operate the Madrid-Alicante route on the HSL, in concurrence with Renfe.

Liberalization is coming...

Source: Diario Información (in Spanish)
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News!!

Alsa (aka National Express) and Veloi Rail (aka Vueling) have obtained the license to operate the Madrid-Alicante route on the HSL, in concurrence with Renfe.

Liberalization is coming...

Source: Diario Información (in Spanish)
I am not completely sure, but I think Alsa Rail is not integrated into the National Express group, but the railway division is completely owned by the Cosme family (the originary local owner of Alsa) not as the rest of the Alsa services operated by buses in Europe.
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Alsa (aka National Express) and Veloi Rail (aka Vueling) have obtained the license to operate the Madrid-Alicante route on the HSL, in concurrence with Renfe.

Liberalization is coming...
What trains will they use? And how soon will they start?
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What trains will they use?
I believe class 100 (the non-France ones). But I´m not sure and I don´t remember, I´ll search later, now I gotta get out.

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And how soon will they start?
The article says before 2015, but we´re not sure (we haven´t heard nor read much about it).
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Class 100 (the non-France ones).
Rented from Renfe?
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Or a ROSCO, I think. But I´m not sure, can´t remember.
Reivajar, could you read about it in the Spanish forum and post it here, please?
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Old April 10th, 2014, 06:49 PM   #2780
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Well, a ROSCO is one of the four companies Renfe will be splitted from the unique Renfe company divided currently in departments: passengers, freight and logistics, and manufacturing and maintenance. ROSCO is the name which the fourth one has received in the first moment and it will be in charge of renting part of the rolling stock for other private companies. The name is just provisional and used unofficially, and it based on the British experience, where it refers to this kind of companies which own and maintain rolling stock for being rented later. ROSCO stands for rollling stock operating company. In the first phase 26 high speed trains currently owned by Renfe are planned to be transferred to this new company. Probably the Renfe 100 series not adapted to international services as 437.001 says and maybe some more... not completely clear by now.
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