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Old April 12th, 2014, 08:06 PM   #2801
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Madrid-Galicia HSL.
Section Zamora-Pedralba de la Pradería.


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Old April 12th, 2014, 08:39 PM   #2803
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Madrid-Galicia HSL.
Section Zamora-Pedralba de la Pradería.


Images of the river Tera viaduct, finished.
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Old April 13th, 2014, 01:04 AM   #2804
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Basque "Y" HSL.

River Deba viaduct.

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Old April 13th, 2014, 01:10 AM   #2805
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Back again ( thanks!).

Btw, National Express (ALSA) in the UK operates under the c2c moniker, and runs the services from London-Fenchurch Street for Basildon, Southend and Grays.
In 2010, it was named the most punctual railway service in the UK.
They´ve been shortlisted to bid for the Crossrail operation.

National Express also run the Midland Metro (the trams in Birmingham).
In the past, National Express was the operator of the trains on the East Coast Main Line (ECML) under the moniker National Express East Coast (NXEC), but they gave up on NXEC when they were unable to pay the government the fees agreed upon before NX got the concession. National Express also operated trains in the Anglia area (NX East Anglia), they lost this franchise to Abellio who nowadays operates under the name Greater Anglia.
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Old April 15th, 2014, 11:49 PM   #2806
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Madrid-Badajoz(-Lisbon) HSL.
Section Plasencia-Cáceres.

Testing the Valdetravieso viaduct, near Cañaveral.

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Old April 16th, 2014, 12:14 AM   #2807
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Last statistics about trains on time say about 2,5 trains with delay between Madrid and Barcelona per month as average in the last three years.
There is more than one train per hour, the rest of trains were in time (or on time).

Delay is considered if there it arrives more than 15 minutes train.

That means... almost all trains arrived within that schedule.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 12:29 AM   #2808
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Two questions:

- doesnt RENFE have a lot of schedule padding, such that many trains arrive up to 10 minutes earlier than scheduled on terminal stations, especially direct non-strop trains from Barcelona?

- does RENFE refund all AVE passengers for delays above 5 minutes, or is that rule still valid only for passengers on Sevilla-Madrid line?
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Old April 16th, 2014, 12:40 AM   #2809
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Two questions:

- doesnt RENFE have a lot of schedule padding, such that many trains arrive up to 10 minutes earlier than scheduled on terminal stations, especially direct non-strop trains from Barcelona?
Yes, they have.

I expect that with concurrence they will erase them because all trains will be considered as average speed. Doesn't matter maximum speed but time you arrive and that's all!.

Yesterday I arrived Madrid five or six minutes in advance.
Anyway I do not remember my last delay in trains.



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Only Madrid-Seville is with 5 minutes accuracy (and 100% refund if delay). The rest of trains have 15 minutes
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Two questions:

- doesnt RENFE have a lot of schedule padding, such that many trains arrive up to 10 minutes earlier than scheduled on terminal stations, especially direct non-strop trains from Barcelona?

- does RENFE refund all AVE passengers for delays above 5 minutes, or is that rule still valid only for passengers on Sevilla-Madrid line?
All HSR trains have cushions, almost every train I have used arrived atleast 5 minutes ahead of the time table, some exeptions were over 10 minutes ahead.

Some cushions I know of is, Madrid-Barcelona direct trains 2h 30 min (optimal run is below 2h 15 min, I've clocked 2h 21min) Madrid-Valencia 1h 30 min (optimal run is below 1h 15 min, I've clocked 1h 22 min), Madrid-Seville 2h 20 min (optimal run is slightly over 2h, I've clocked 2h 6 min).
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Old April 19th, 2014, 01:01 PM   #2811
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Another article here stating that numbers are increasing on long range rail journeys (including AVE trains).
Do travellers here notice that trains are more fully occupied, or are there routes that are still under-occupied? Is there a high speed rail line that has been disappointing in passenger numbers?

http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/04/17/...95_622092.html

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Information released by the National Statistics Institute (INE) shows that in February, long-distance trains – including the high-speed AVE – carried 1,954,000 passengers, a 14.3-percent increase on the same month in 2013, and 18 percent up on January.
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Old April 19th, 2014, 05:42 PM   #2812
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To my best knowledge, all Seville-Barcelona, either morning or afternoon service are full until 24th.
Seville-Zaragoza is full until 28th.

I know... It is a really rush season but we can compare.with other years...
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Another article here stating that numbers are increasing on long range rail journeys (including AVE trains).

http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/04/17/...95_622092.html
This only applies to Long Distance rail services.

On regional rail and suburban rail (there where booking in advance isn´t compulsory), passengers continue to drop.

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Do travellers here notice that trains are more fully occupied, or are there routes that are still under-occupied?
On Long Distance services, trains are more fully occupied, that´s true.
Some particular routes (night trains in particular) are still under-occupied though, some of them could be discontinued and replaced by day services.

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Is there a high speed rail line that has been disappointing in passenger numbers?
Not really. Those that still don´t have top numbers are unfinished.
If I were to choose one, It´d be the Huesca branch, perhaps.
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The Huesca branch will only become successful when it becomes the launchpad for a high-speed link with Toulouse
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The Huesca branch will only become successful when it becomes the launchpad for a high-speed link with Toulouse
Hmmmm, when the new tunnel under the Central Pyrenees will be launch around 2060...

Anyway, the Huesca brach at that time was some sort of experiment as it was the first third rail commercial line to be used in Spain.

Huesca branch could get better numbers just by improving the current line from Huesca to Canfranc and offering good trains services during the winter for skiers and in summer for tourists. At some point, with the reopening of the international tunnel some trains between Spain and France could be programmed, but mostly regional ones between Saragossa and Pau, or French long distance trains for feeding Spanish ski stations in Aragon.

Currently, trains between Saragossa and Toulouse would need around 4h40 via Barcelona and Narbonne (considering the current times of an AVE Zaragoza-Barcelona in 1h40 + AVE Barcelona-Toulouse in 3h)

Through Huesca you would need:
Zaragoza-Huesca: 40 min
Huesca-Canfranc 2h42 (at most you could improve travel times to 2h or 1h45 with important works in the current line)
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Oloron-Pau: 38 min
Pau-Toulouse: 2h24

Or you build a new huge base tunnel or the route through Barcelona is faster.
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Anyway, the Huesca brach at that time was some sort of experiment as it was the first third rail commercial line to be used in Spain.
Third rail?


Source: ferropedia

I thought they used cantenary

Is it even possible to use third rail at 25kV? How do they do that?
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Source: ferropedia

I thought they used cantenary

Is it even possible to use third rail at 25kV? How do they do that?
It is not third rail for electricity (like in UK), but a dual gauge line: Iberian and standard gauges.

Electrification is through catenary, like any other Adif line in Spain.

To be more precise, there were other dual gauge tracks in Spain before, but just some short stretches in the French border stations for wagon storage or lines for testing purposes.
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Furthermore, catenary is available for AVE trains only.

Regional ones may be diesel
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On regional rail and suburban rail (there where booking in advance isn´t compulsory), passengers continue to drop.
Regional rail struggling is somewhat understandable, but what is the reason for dropping passenger numbers for a suburban trains presumably being used mostly by commuters? Is it still an effect of economic crisis in Spain?
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It is not third rail for electricity (like in UK), but a dual gauge line: Iberian and standard gauges.

Electrification is through catenary, like any other Adif line in Spain.

To be more precise, there were other dual gauge tracks in Spain before, but just some short stretches in the French border stations for wagon storage or lines for testing purposes.
There are also some stretches with triple gauge in the Barcelona port, and with dual metric/Iberian gauge at Barreda and Requejada, and in the Santander port, in Cantabria.

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Furthermore, catenary is available for AVE trains only.

Regional ones may be diesel
Sooner or later the Lleida-Tardienta-Saragossa and the Tardienta-Huesca-Canfranc lines will change gauge. It´s just a matter of time.

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Regional rail struggling is somewhat understandable, but what is the reason for dropping passenger numbers for a suburban trains presumably being used mostly by commuters? Is it still an effect of economic crisis in Spain?
Yes. Fares keep on the rise for suburban rail.

And you know the unemployment rate we have in Spain is still very very high, so some people can´t afford themselves to pay the ticket, so quite logically, the number of fare-dodgers who cheat is on the rise.
If you´ve got to go to work because you really can´t afford yourself to lose your job, but you can´t manage to make the numbers meet at the end of the month anyway, you "cut expenses".
It´s a side effect of the housing bubble and the currency crisis, mixed with politicians who didn´t see to that and did not reform things soon enough.
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