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Old April 20th, 2014, 11:32 PM   #2861
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I guess it was prohibitively expensive to make an underground station in the tunnel there right below the one on the classical line. It would have been neat, though.
For the population that Puebla de Sanabria has (1,541 inhab.), it would have definitely been far too expensive.
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Hmm, black catenaries masts, black bridge handrails - new standard? I do admit that I like that, it looks good especially in Spanish conditions. Wonder if it would look the same good in more green scenery as in Germany.
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Old April 21st, 2014, 12:28 AM   #2863
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Hmm, black catenaries masts, black bridge handrails - new standard? I do admit that I like that, it looks good especially in Spanish conditions. Wonder if it would look the same good in more green scenery as in Germany.
I would say they are dark green coloured, as the corporative color of Adif.

But that's true that it is a really dark green which turns almost black depending on light conditions.



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They should paint them in dark yellow and red, the national colors of the Spanish flag.
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Old April 21st, 2014, 02:34 AM   #2865
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They should paint them in dark yellow and red, the national colors of the Spanish flag.
ehm....



Actually, the best ones are the galvanized ones used in the conventional lines as the degradation of finishing is minimum. Currently, there are some blue poles from the former GIF period which have lost their blue finishing...

What I am curious about is the color they gone used for the poles over the Ulla river viaduct, which has the apple green color...
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Currently, there are some blue poles from the former GIF period which have lost their blue finishing...
They´re still blue. They still are, yes.

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What I am curious about is the color they gone used for the poles over the Ulla river viaduct, which has the apple green color...
Rainbow, since it´s Rajoy´s homeland.

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They should paint them in dark yellow and red, the national colors of the Spanish flag.
Do you want to test the paint? You´ll be the pole.
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Old April 21st, 2014, 03:56 AM   #2867
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They´re still blue. They still are, yes.
I don't remember who said in the Spanish forum who had seen some poles losing their color... maybe they were the green ones... but somebody had seen green or blue poles losing their colors.

As well, you can see how easily the colored finishing can be damaged in this bridge:





That's true that the bridge structure has a much larger horizontal surface exposed...
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Old April 21st, 2014, 04:20 AM   #2868
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There are no Valencia-Alicante direct HSR services on the HSL.
The line isnb´t finished yet.
What about the Euromed?
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What about the Euromed?
The Euromed doesn´t use the HSL yet.

The fact that the current classic line between Xativa and La Encina will be recycled and transformed into the HSL doesn´t change anything.
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Could a Valencia-Sevilla/Malaga or even Alicante-Sevilla high-speed direct service (not stopping in Madrid, though needing to cross the outskirts) be competitive?
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There are some direct Valencia - Sevilla AVEs... It takes 3 hours 50 mins...
I've checked the schedule for this Friday and it's already sold out... It seems that Renfe might need to be more agile scheduling additional services...
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There are some direct Valencia - Sevilla AVEs... It takes 3 hours 50 mins...
I've checked the schedule for this Friday and it's already sold out... It seems that Renfe might need to be more agile scheduling additional services...
How much spare rolling stock does Renfe has though?

Usually, rail companies don't have a lot of high-speed trains idling on a depot. They cost up to € 40 millions a piece and they are better put in use than left stopped, even if they run relatively empty.
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Madrid-Barcelona-Figueres Vilafant HSL.
Between Camp de Tarragona and Barcelona-Sants, near Gelida.

Easter special Trenhotel Barcelona-Corunna, pulled by loco 252.004 and Talgo trainset 6C1.
Note that it´s an Elipsos Talgo, the ones that used to do the international routes.

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They should paint them in dark yellow and red, the national colors of the Spanish flag.
In most parts of Spain, paint degrade very quickly due to sun radiation. And it is very expensive to repaint the poles every few years when there are tens of thousands of them. It would probably have been cheaper in the long run to use pure concrete poles like on the Madrid-Seville line, they don't require expensive repainting.
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In most parts of Spain, paint degrade very quickly due to sun radiation. And it is very expensive to repaint the poles every few years when there are tens of thousands of them. It would probably have been cheaper in the long run to use pure concrete poles like on the Madrid-Seville line, they don't require expensive repainting.
Why concrete poles were not used anymore? Because Adif developed its own standard and the concrete poles on the HSL Madrid-Seville was a German patent?
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Why concrete poles were not used anymore? Because Adif developed its own standard and the concrete poles on the HSL Madrid-Seville was a German patent?
No, they are just more expensive to build, but that initial extra cost is won back later since they require almost no maintenance.
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No, they are just more expensive to build, but that initial extra cost is won back later since they require almost no maintenance.
I got it. Thanks. However, Adif could use just galvanized iron poles like in the conventional lines. Out of the color layer, I don't know if those blue and green poles required more maintenance...
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But, aren´t they galvanized poles just painted?
It would be rather silly of Adif if they weren´t...
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I don't remember really well, but I think paint doesn't attach well to galvanized iron generally. You need to prepare de galvanize surface for assuring a good attachement between the painting surface and the galvanize surface, and even, under those circumstances many times finally the paint becomes detached.

Anyway, it is pretty common to cover galvanized iron with painting. For sure, I assume the colored poles are galvanized under the paint too.

I've read as well, some studies which stated that paint over galvanized iron makes it around twice more resistant than just regular painted iron or galvanized iron exposed. So, it is not a bad measure to ensure larger resistance.

What I was doubting was the difference of maintenance between concrete poles, just galvanized ones (like in the conventional lines) and the galvanized and painted ones (like in HSLs).
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Madrid-Galicia HSL.
Section Ourense-Santiago de Compostela.

A class 121 on the river Ulla viaduct, at Vedra, on some Avant service bound for Ourense.

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