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Old May 4th, 2014, 11:53 PM   #2941
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There is a tram-train in Cadiz?

I found a Spanish wikipedia article, it's a bit outdated but as far as I understood both lines are still under construction. Right?

P.S. I know it's off-topic, but there is no thread for this yet.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 12:06 AM   #2942
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Valladolid-Venta de Baños-Palencia-Leon HSL.
Palencia station.


Image of the works at the station to prepare it for the HSL, taken on April 26, 2014.

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Well well, D-day, H-hour.
I´ve been tonight to see how the cut started, and the end of the Iberian gauge for track 1.
First I went to the south of Palencia, 2 km south, the Villalobón new loop, where in hindsight we can tell the flyover that was used by the Burgos line, and which will be used by the HSL:





Same spot, but this time at 22:45 of April 26, and here we have them, the operators preparing things to cut track 1:





And a new point allowing trains coming from track 1 to change to track 2:





Then I moved north, to the old freight sidings, looking towards the south, the track 2 is occupied by a ballast tamper, behind me, the station is some 100 m away:





Now I am more or less oppposite of where I took the picture above, also looking towards the south, the track next to me is track 1, we see an operator cutting track 2, because all the points connecting tracks 2 and 1 will have to be cut:





Details of such operation:







Now I´ve moved further north, to the station, looking towards the south, we cen tell the station building in hindsight, in the first place track 6, and some machinery on track 4:





Now across the tracks again, the same machinery as before, with the station building to our right (and off the image). To our left, some 50 m away and off image too, they´re cutting track 1 too, but there´s not enough light and I can´t take that picture:





Across the tracks again, but a little further north, this time looking towards the south, with tracks 6 and 4 in the first place. Opposite, on track 1, the catenary is being dismantled:













I went back to where I started taking pictures, to Villalobón loop 2 km south of the station, always looking towards the south, now it´s 23:30, just 45 minutes later, and tracks 1 and 2 have been cut, and they´re preparing things to install the new point:







On the left the Villalobón loop, on its right track 2, waiting for the new point, and on the right of that, the gap left by track 1:





We´ll see how things are tomorrow.
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There is a tram-train in Cadiz?

I found a Spanish wikipedia article, it's a bit outdated but as far as I understood both lines are still under construction. Right?

P.S. I know it's off-topic, but there is no thread for this yet.
´course it is, but I felt like posting it here, because it has no thread yet, and the thing turned up in the middle of the HSL works.

The Cadiz tram-train line (there´s only one, not two lines) is under construction, and it will run between La Ardila junction on the Seville-Cadiz line til Chiclana de la Frontera through the streets of San Fernando.
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The Cadiz tram-train line (there´s only one, not two lines) is under construction, and it will run between La Ardila junction on the Seville-Cadiz line til Chiclana de la Frontera through the streets of San Fernando.
I read that there is a new bridge under construction from Cadiz to Puerto Real and that there will be a tram line crossing it. Outdated information?
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Valladolid-Venta de Baños-Palencia-Leon HSL.
Palencia station.


Image of the works at the station to prepare it for the HSL, taken on April 27, 2014.

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Photos taken this morning.
Here I am again, at Villalobón loop 2 km south of the station, where the Burgos line flyover used to begin (and which will be used by the HSL).
At 09.00 in the morning we can see the ballast tamper finishing the Works at the new point that links tracks 1 and 2.
At the moment that these pictures were taken, railway transit was interrupted at Palencia, since the tamper was on the "only" track to go to Valladolid or Burgos:





Now I´m over what used to be track 1, which is now gone here, as well as its catenary:





Same spot, but now looking towards the north, we see the operators installing the catenary for the new point:





In the rest of the station tonight they did cut all the points that linked track 1 to track 2.
Cut made at the south of the station, looking towards the north. Left track 1, right track 2:





Now back to the station, at the north end of the central platform, looking towards Leon, with track 2 on our left. We can notice some points have been cut:





Turning 180º looking to the south and the station building, another point has been cut.
On our right, track 2:





Now I´m at the north side of the station, on the level crossing, in hindsight there´s a point that hasn´t been completely cut, as it´s the only one linking tracks 1 and 2 on the north side. In the first place, track 2, on its right track 1 and sidings that will son be removed, and on the left of track 2, track 4:





Zooming, a detail of the point that still links track 2 to track 1 on the north side:





And the first train of the day to use such point, at around 12:00, a class 121:





And to finish, an Alvia coming from Gijon and bound for Madrid that stood here for more tan 30 minutes, we´re north of the station, looking south, in hindsight the level crossing.
The pic was taken at 11:20, and the Alvia left Palencia station at 12:05...

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I read that there is a new bridge under construction from Cadiz to Puerto Real and that there will be a tram line crossing it. Outdated information?
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Valladolid-Venta de Baños-Palencia-Leon HSL.
Palencia station.


Two schemes of the works at the station to prepare it for the HSL.

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Palencia station before April 27:





Palencia station after April 27:

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Valladolid-Venta de Baños-Palencia-Leon HSL.
Palencia station.


Image of the works at the station to prepare it for the HSL, taken on April 29, 2014.

(all text translated from Spanish)

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This morning I went again to the station, and as you can see in the picture, they´re dismantling the catenary on track 1, which is closed since April 27:

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Valladolid-Venta de Baños-Palencia-Leon HSL.
Section Palencia-Leon.


Images taken between Leon and Torneros stations, taken on May 1, 2014:

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Valladolid-Venta de Baños-Palencia-Leon HSL.
Palencia station.


Image of the works at the station to prepare it for the HSL, taken on May 2, 2014.

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Some pics taken this afternoon at Palencia. No new tale to tell.

Villalobón loop, looking towards the south, to Valladolid and Burgos:







From another overpass, looking to the south. The catenary on track 1 has been dismantled:









Now we´ve moved to the north side of the station.

New sleepers for the part of track 4 that hasn´t been upgraded yet:





The works of extension and upgrade of the central platform carry on:

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Valladolid-Venta de Baños-Palencia-Leon HSL.
Section Palencia-Leon.


Images taken between Leon and Palanquinos stations, taken on May 3, 2014:

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Piling up ballast at Vega de Infanzones:


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The classic line, in hindsight the Torneros flyover:


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At Palanquinos, the station is just past that overpass:


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Walking towards the river Esla viaduct:


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We get to the viaduct:


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Between the piers we can tell the classic line, on its own viaduct:


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Sleepers piled up on the viaduct, waiting:


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From the other side:


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Now we are at Torneros... to take some pictures of this overpass, the only point in which the works have not started, and which should be demolished very soon... otherwise there´s no way that the HSL will ever get further north from Palencia:


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From next to the overpass that will be demolished, we can tell Torneros station and the HSL flyover in hindsight:


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From the overpass to be demolished, looking towards Leon:


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From the overpass to be demolished, looking towards Torneros station (and Palencia), and the HSL flyover in hindsight:


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Valladolid-Venta de Baños-Palencia-Leon HSL + Madrid-Avila-Valladolid-Burgos-Vitoria-Irun/Hendaye classic line.
Section Valladolid-Venta de Baños.


Images taken between Valladolid-Campo Grande and Tres Hermanos stations, taken on May 4, 2014:

(all texts translated from Spanish, but some comments have been added by 437.001)

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Today I´ve been to Valladolid, where HSL works have not started yet inside the city.
This is the Calle Puente la Reina level crossing, we can tell that one of the tracks already has HSL-like electrification poles:





Same spot, but zooming. We can tell the bridge over river Esgueva and the place where the HSL-like poles stop.
[note by 437.001: we´re discussing on the Spanish forum wether two more tracks could be stuffed between the station and the place where the HSL diverges from the classic line or not. I believe it would be possible]:





Then I went to Valladolid-Universidad station, and I could see the new poles coming from the south (Valladolid-Campo Grande, Madrid):





Valladolid-Universidad, looking towards the north (Venta de Baños, Palencia, Burgos), to where the new poles carry on:





A bit further north towards Venta de Baños, both tracks have got the new poles:



I guess this goes on till the place where both classic line and HSL diverge:
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When can we realistically expect the Cadiz-Sevilla link to be operating at full specs?

Also - are there plans to extend HSL from Antaquera to Granada and Almería? Or is it more feasible an extension from Alicante-Cartagena?
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When can we realistically expect the Cadiz-Sevilla link to be operating at full specs?
By the end of the year or the beginning of next year it should be finished, it almost is now.
There´s only one part that hasn´t been upgraded yet, the section between Marismilla (where the double track ends if you come from Cadiz) and Utrera.
The rest is in service.

Btw, that´s not a full HSL.

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Also - are there plans to extend HSL from Antaquera to Granada and Almería?
The HSL between Antequera and Granada should open by next year, if all goes well (there are nearly no pics from those works, sorry for that... ), exception made of the section around Loja, which got stuck between the crisis and some serious geological problems, and the lack of which will be solved by putting a third rail on the classic line. The upgrade of Granada station shouldn´t take long to start, and it will be done at the same time as the tramway works.

As for the section between Almeria and Granada, there are no HSL plans whatsoever, that´s one of the most difficult mountain lines in Spain and it would involve massive tunneling, and besides, the HSL to Almeria is under construction too, but from Murcia. The only thing that we guess could be done between Granada and Almeria would be the electrification of the missing section between Granada and Huéneja-Dólar (the rest between Huéneja-Dólar and Almeria is already electrified, although it could do with a slight upgrade of the electrification -the current one isn´t in very good state).

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Or is it more feasible an extension from Alicante-Cartagena?
That´s in works between Alicante and Murcia (yesterday I posted some pics of those works on the Railways thread). The section between Murcia and Cartagena will be electrified and will get the third rail, that´s all.
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The new HSL Antequera-Loja-Granada is about to be open soon too. Except the section which cross the urban area of Loja, the rest of line is partially a new line and an upgrade of the current line (similar to the work done between Crevillent and Murcia, or the Seville-Cadiz line). So Granada will get a new high speed link too as a high speed branch of the Córdoba-Málaga HSL.

For Almería, the high speed link is planned to be built from Murcia, and this way, the connection between Andalusia and Murcia will be reopened as part of the Mediterranean Corridor. Actually, some sections and tunnels between Murcia and Almeria are already finished, but works are suspended in that line because of the cuts.

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Madrid-Segovia-Olmedo junction-Valladolid HSL.

Between Olmedo junction and the Valdestillas gauge changer, Adif has some plants growing in a funny way:

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Also - are there plans to extend HSL from Antaquera to Granada and Almería? Or is it more feasible an extension from Alicante-Cartagena?

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As for the section between Almeria and Granada, there are no HSL plans whatsoever, that´s one of the most difficult mountain lines in Spain and it would involve massive tunneling.
The study for this route is already done (http://www.vialibre-ffe.com/noticias...t=7965&cs=alta), the project for the whole line was posted on the spanish railway forum (tranvia) some 3-4 years ago, 180-250km/h depending on the sub section and a handful of longer tunnels 2-4 km in length. If built, the new railway would cut the travel time beween Granada and Almeria in half from the current situation (65 min instead of the current 130 min).

Granda-Almería project

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24605445/E...lmeria-Granada

158km of new railway

22km of new tunnels

18,5km of new bridges

Average speed ~200km/h (65 min for 182 km)

Cost: 2200 million euros

Status: scrapped by the current government
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more info about Sevilla-Granada-Almería project, here:

http://www.geotren.es/blog/tag/granada/




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So are they actually working on high speed lines between Sevilla-Antequera and Antequera-Granada?
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