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Old October 10th, 2014, 06:26 AM   #3061
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What time frame are we looking at for the end of Iberian gauge?
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Old October 10th, 2014, 01:28 PM   #3062
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a new semi-sleeper of complement for sleepers is being developed for installing the third rail, but again it is a new and untested solution...
Is there anywhere picture or technical drawing of that semi-sleeper?
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Old October 10th, 2014, 08:19 PM   #3063
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Converting everything (maybe except some Madrid Cercanias) to standard gauge as quickly as possible would be far better and, in the end, cheaper...
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Old October 10th, 2014, 09:00 PM   #3064
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Is there anywhere picture or technical drawing of that semi-sleeper?
Not really. Some weeks ago a picture of an example of a semi-sleeper for dual gauge tracks was posted, but it would be just a patent. Apparently the design currently proposed would be some sort of metal sheet linked to the existing sleepers for holding the third rail.

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Old October 10th, 2014, 10:04 PM   #3065
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Some time ago I traveled on the classic line which received third rail from Figueras towards Girona (when the AVE line was not ready yet).
What I noticed was a rather poor track quality on a recently rebuild (3rd rail) main line. The train ride was pretty rough, like on a tramway with bad tracks. Low comfort, pretty disturbing, as opposed to other main lines I traveled in Spain.

I was wondering if this poor track quality is a consequence of the third rail?
For example, track tampering machines not available, asymmetric rail wear and track deformation or such?

Or was this only a temporarily phenomena that has been fixed?
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Old October 11th, 2014, 12:40 AM   #3066
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Thanks Reivajar, till now I didn't see any of such kind solutions. So it seems that rails will remain in Iberian gauge position while third rail will be added to UIC gauge. I know that this may change but it is quite obvious that in Mediterranean corridor more stress will be put on UIC gauge (quick passenger trains and freight transit while Iberian will act as supplementary for raw slow freight traffic.

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Some time ago I traveled on the classic line which received third rail from Figueras towards Girona (when the AVE line was not ready yet).
What I noticed was a rather poor track quality on a recently rebuild (3rd rail) main line. The train ride was pretty rough, like on a tramway with bad tracks. Low comfort, pretty disturbing, as opposed to other main lines I traveled in Spain.

I was wondering if this poor track quality is a consequence of the third rail?
For example, track tampering machines not available, asymmetric rail wear and track deformation or such?

Or was this only a temporarily phenomena that has been fixed?
The problem with third rail is quite commonly known across whole world. It is hard to achieve and maintain perfect geometry into both gauges and that's why on 1435/1520 connection (which due to small difference required 4 rails) eventually separate single lines were set as standard. So bearing that in mind I am not keen for wide triple rail use and as Girona proved they are expensive and pretty useless.
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Old October 11th, 2014, 03:42 PM   #3067
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Dual gauge lines can be used for particular stretches, stations and access lines to ports, for example. It would be OK. But for long line where trains are supposed to run quickly is not a good solution. And yes, asymmetric rail wear and more complicated maintenance are part of the issues related to them.

The point is that between Castellón and Tarragona Iberain gauge is not that necessary. For the rest of the cities, it is, as they need to be linked as well to the rest of the country. But the issues and lobbying which has appeared in such an evident migration like the needed on the Mediterranean Corridor is kind of risky for the feasibility of the transformation of the rest of the Iberian network. I am relatively optimistic, but we'll see.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 04:53 PM   #3068
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From Global Rail News:

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Siemens and Thales win signalling contract on Madrid – Galicia HSR link
25 NOV, 2014



Siemens and Thales are to work together to install the signalling and telecommunication systems along a 340-kilometre stretch of high-speed railway in Northern Spain.

The €510 million contract includes the installation of ETCS Level 2 signalling, wheel detectors and axle counting systems, an automatic train protection and control system, telecommunication and control systems, and maintenance of the systems for 20 years.

The section of railway between Olmedo and Ourense forms part of the Madrid – Galicia high-speed rail corridor – an electrified double-track railway designed for maximum operating speeds of 350 km/h.

In 2011, work was completed on the Ourense, Santiago and A Coruña section of the route. Set to be commissioned in 2018, the Olmedo-Ourense segment will complete the high-speed link with Galicia.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 08:26 PM   #3069
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Axle counters for the stretch of dual gauge (third rail) on the current line between Zamora and Montamarta: 16 km, provided in 2018.
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Contadores de ejes para el tramo de ancho mixto (tercer carril) sobre la línea actual entre Zamora y Montamarta: 16 km, previsto para 2018.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 08:57 PM   #3070
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Axle counters for the stretch of dual gauge (third rail) on the current line between Zamora and Montamarta: 16 km, provided in 2018.
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Contadores de ejes para el tramo de ancho mixto (tercer carril) sobre la línea actual entre Zamora y Montamarta: 16 km, previsto para 2018.
Why is dual gauge needed on that section of the current line?
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Old November 25th, 2014, 09:11 PM   #3071
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Because on that section the HSL runs on the same platform as the classic line, so one of the tracks will have third rail.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 09:14 PM   #3072
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No room for (or too expensive) to install another track
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No hay espacio para (o resulta demasiado caro) instalar otra vía
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Thanks. How many tracks total is that then? 2 or 3?
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Old November 26th, 2014, 01:05 AM   #3074
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Old December 1st, 2014, 11:32 AM   #3075
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Girona HSR station yesterday during heavy raining ...

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Presumably the water entered to the tunnel when a small wall collapsed. This water from a small river has entered through the south hole who remains opened 20 months after the inauguration of the High Speed Line.


Old image but the hole is at the same place. The small river Güell (moved) get back to its original way.

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Old December 1st, 2014, 03:06 PM   #3076
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Back again, exactly the same.

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Old December 13th, 2014, 06:51 PM   #3077
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Will there be a station on the outskirts of Medina del Campo when the new line to Zamora opens next year? I know it has always been in plans, but has it actually been built?
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Old December 14th, 2014, 02:12 PM   #3078
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In 2015 build a PAET, which is like a station, but without passenger building and without sales of ticket.

From there he will go to Galicia and (thanks to a gauge changer in Medina-Campillo next to Medina HS) towards Salamanca, whose conventional line is electrifying.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #3079
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He means that there will be some sidings, but not yet a passenger building. Basically a station, but without passenger service because there will not be the necessary facilities.

The line from there to Salamanca is being electrified and a gauge changer is being built.

Unfortunately, this new station will not be in the point were the HSL crosses the conventional line, which is idiot but not surprising in Spain.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 08:23 PM   #3080
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Thanks to both of you for explanation. Is line to Salamanca (also open in 2015?) branching off from Galicia HSL before or after this future Medina HS station? I assume there will be Alvia trains going to Salamanca from Madrid when the electrification is complete, right?

It's unfortunate indeed that the station is not at crossroads with the conventional line. I imagine it was a boom year thinking of "we'll build another connection later" or there will be a tram or something like that…
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