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Old August 28th, 2015, 05:15 PM   #3301
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2016 budget is still a joke as probably the current gov won't be in charge next year.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 12:59 AM   #3302
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Or maybe it will, but not alone.
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Old September 8th, 2015, 01:03 AM   #3303
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Rumour!!

New HSL Valladolid-Palencia-Leon could maybe open on September 27, 2015.

Source: one of our deep throats.
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Old September 8th, 2015, 09:57 PM   #3304
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Do you have any extra information regarding new services, travel times and so on?
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Old September 8th, 2015, 10:37 PM   #3305
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Not yet. We have full of information but nothing official yet
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Old September 9th, 2015, 11:39 AM   #3306
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Valladolid-León

The new services are not published yet, and we are not sure that these (roundtrip 6 days a week):

2 AVE Madrid-León
2 AVCity (Avant, Economy Class only), 1 to León and another Palencia
4/5 Alvia Madrid-Gijón
1 Alvia Dual (hybrid) Madrid-León-Lugo-Ferrol
3 Alvia Madrid-Santander (only until Palencia)

The Burgos-León trains must wait until 2016.
The Pajares by-pass (tunnel in Asturias) also be in 2016.

The time from Madrid to León (345 km) will spend 2 h 41 m to 2 h at AVE 200 km/h speed limit between Valladolid and Leon (173 km/h average). In 2016, according to Renfe, 1 h 45 m with ERTMS (ETCS 2) (197 km/h average).

The ministry has said to the media will be the 24th, although trains for sale are charged to 26.
It may also be that the official opening is 24 (due to agenda of the King: elections in Catalonia) and start real (the joke in spanish is too easy, sorry) service is 27.
If politicians realize that, perhaps, not such a good idea, from a political point of view, open the line in Leon shortly before the elections, for possible political use, they are able to leave until October.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 02:46 PM   #3307
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It may also be that the official opening is 24 (due to agenda of the King: elections in Catalonia) and start real (the joke in spanish is too easy, sorry) service is 27.
Do any real AVE trainsets exist, either constant medium gauge or variable gauge (giving the King flexibility as to where to go)?
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Old September 9th, 2015, 04:25 PM   #3308
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If you ask about if King travels in train... yes. Not often but yeah (other politicians use it much more)

Here's a news about FORMER king (current king is his son) travelling some months ago from Barcelona to Madrid

http://www.europapress.es/chance/rea...325062934.html


and being still kings, they had a meeting in Santander and the Queen wanted to travel to London to visit a relative. Air Force is allowed only for King and Prince (Princess now). Therefore... queen chose the easiest journey Santander-London: Ryanair.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 04:47 PM   #3309
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I had a great train ride from Barcelona to Madrid last year and made a short video of the ride. I sat in Preferente class and enjoyed a complimentary meal and drinks! I was really impressed.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 06:47 PM   #3310
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Shortly, minute 3:21 is the Zaragoza by-pass
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Old September 9th, 2015, 09:11 PM   #3311
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The Burgos-León trains must wait until 2016.
The Pajares by-pass (tunnel in Asturias) also be in 2016.
Same also for line to Zamora or not known yet?

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The time from Madrid to León (345 km) will spend 2 h 41 m to 2 h at AVE 200 km/h speed limit between Valladolid and Leon (173 km/h average). In 2016, according to Renfe, 1 h 45 m with ERTMS (ETCS 2) (197 km/h average).
That's respectable, but I guess these lines are not built to quite a same standard as Madrid-Barcelona where if I remember correctly the average is about 240 km/h.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 11:38 PM   #3312
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Zamora will open by year-end or, probably, in 2016; like all other.

Madrid-Barcelona average is 248 km/h, best in Spain, the problem here is the only one track access to the cities.
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Old September 10th, 2015, 05:28 AM   #3313
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Zamora will open by year-end or, probably, in 2016; like all other.
Gusiluz means that probably only the Valladolid-Palencia-Leon HSL will open this year, while the others, that is:

-Olmedo-Zamora (with parts in single-track)
-Antequera Santa Ana-Antequera-Granada (without the Loja section, and parts in single-track)
-Madrid Chamartín-Torrejón de Velasco (without Madrid-Atocha underground platforms)
-Monforte del Cid-San Isidro-Murcia (with parts in single track)
-Vilaseca-Camp de Tarragona (plus chord towards Lleida/Zaragoza)
-La Robla-Pola de Lena (Pajares base tunnels, with parts in single track)


...will open in 2016.

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Madrid-Barcelona average is 248 km/h, best in Spain, the problem here is the only one track access to the cities.
Not exactly. Saragossa gets double track access, it's only the section of the tunnel under the city that is in single track.

The Lleida access is overall in single track.

So the best average on the Madrid-Barcelona route is achieved only by the non-stop trains. Trains calling at intermediate stations get a much worse average speed.

The only line that isn't up to standards with the rest is Madrid-Seville, as it's much older and slower. Oh and the Huesca branch, but that's hardly a HSL.
The other lines, if finished, are/will be able for good speeds.
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Old September 10th, 2015, 09:30 AM   #3314
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If you ask about if King travels in train... yes. Not often but yeah (other politicians use it much more)

Here's a news about FORMER king (current king is his son) travelling some months ago from Barcelona to Madrid

http://www.europapress.es/chance/rea...325062934.html


and being still kings, they had a meeting in Santander and the Queen wanted to travel to London to visit a relative. Air Force is allowed only for King and Prince (Princess now). Therefore... queen chose the easiest journey Santander-London: Ryanair.
Does King travel on scheduled trains along with fellow ticketed passengers, or on out of schedule trains reserved for him and his retinue?
Which planes does Air Force use to fly King and Princess? Note that Queen for some reason used Ryanair to fly to London, not Iberia...
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Old September 10th, 2015, 10:13 AM   #3315
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Iberia doesn't fly Santander-London. It was faster a Ryanair than going to Bilbao and taking on Iberia

Any politician will go on a regular train. Maybe more than half of coach will be security staff but regular ones.
I have travelled in the same coach than the major of my city. I guess many security people were them too.


In adittion, sometimes we post sport teams that use train prior to bus or plane to arrive other cities. There are cases when they decide to make partially travel by bus, approach to a station and keep on by rail
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Any politician will go on a regular train. Maybe more than half of coach will be security staff but regular ones.
I have travelled in the same coach than the major of my city. I guess many security people were them too.
Did Caudillo and his guard also share coaches on scheduled trains with ticketed passengers?
Flying was possible and important, but Caudillo was Caudillo in the first place because two Nationalist leaders happened to die in air crashes....
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Old September 10th, 2015, 12:21 PM   #3317
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Gusiluz means that probably only the Valladolid-Palencia-Leon HSL will open this year, while the others, that is:

-Olmedo-Zamora (with parts in single-track)
-Antequera Santa Ana-Antequera-Granada (without the Loja section, and parts in single-track)
-Madrid Chamartín-Torrejón de Velasco (without Madrid-Atocha underground platforms)
-Monforte del Cid-San Isidro-Murcia (with parts in single track)
-Vilaseca-Camp de Tarragona (plus chord towards Lleida/Zaragoza)
-La Robla-Pola de Lena (Pajares base tunnels, with parts in single track)


...will open in 2016.



Not exactly. Saragossa gets double track access, it's only the section of the tunnel under the city that is in single track.

The Lleida access is overall in single track.

So the best average on the Madrid-Barcelona route is achieved only by the non-stop trains. Trains calling at intermediate stations get a much worse average speed.

The only line that isn't up to standards with the rest is Madrid-Seville, as it's much older and slower. Oh and the Huesca branch, but that's hardly a HSL.
The other lines, if finished, are/will be able for good speeds.
It has nothing to do with it.
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Madrid-Barcelona average is 248 km/h, best in Spain, the problem here is the only one track access to the cities.
I should have written this to make it clear:
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Madrid-Barcelona average is 248 km/h, best in Spain; the problem in the Valladolid-León HSL is the only one track access to the cities.
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Did Caudillo and his guard also share coaches on scheduled trains with ticketed passengers?
Flying was possible and important, but Caudillo was Caudillo in the first place because two Nationalist leaders happened to die in air crashes....
We do not talk politics here.
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Old September 10th, 2015, 02:50 PM   #3319
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It has nothing to do with it.
[I]I should have written this to make it clear:
Oh yeah, but I was alreaady thinking about that.
But there's a difference, and it's that even though average speed there will always be slower, the Valladolid-Palencia-Leon line is not "finished" yet.

Anyway that difference will be little, and anyway the rolling stock used will most certainly be only Alvia.
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Old September 10th, 2015, 03:14 PM   #3320
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That's respectable, but I guess these lines are not built to quite a same standard as Madrid-Barcelona where if I remember correctly the average is about 240 km/h.
Save for the first 5-10 km and the last few km the entire route between Madrid and León is built for speeds in excess of 300 km/h.

The problem is the traversing of Valladolid and Palencia, if it was just the stops it would not be that bad but trains have to slow down long before reaching the station in Valladolid losing minutes just on arrival, then the slow acceleration leaving the station, in Palencia it is not as bad but still losing minutes compared to passing through at full speed.

The difference between passing Valladolid on a dedicated by-pass (if that had been built) and the current setup is probably in excess of 10 minutes, on top of that you have to add the stop.

Madrid-León with ETCS would be less than 1h 30 min if the route was void of said bottlenecks, and the ridiculous timetable cushions used by RENFE which add 15-20 minutes on top of the normalized travel time.

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