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Old September 14th, 2015, 12:13 AM   #3341
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I think there is a certain chance this map could be up-to-date:
http://www.retrofutur.org/retrofutur...%29&mt=terrain

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Old September 25th, 2015, 01:04 AM   #3342
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Everything set up and ready for the "grand opening" in few days?
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Old September 25th, 2015, 10:56 PM   #3343
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Everything set up and ready for the "grand opening" in few days?
Yes.

Finally renfe opened today the ticket sales. They have started with an agressive discount policy:

Valladolid-Palencia or Palencia-Leon only 5€
Leon-Madrid 20 €
Palencia-Madrid 15 €

Some pics of the AVE in Palencia:







Really nice to see this 112 EMU in a tiny station like Palencia.
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Old September 25th, 2015, 10:56 PM   #3344
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Palencia-León only 5 euros? Wow...
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Old September 25th, 2015, 11:32 PM   #3345
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Looks great! Palencia is a smallish, but not exactly tiny, town which as far as transport infrastructure is concerned got more lucky than many other places of the same size.

How much is the travel time improvement compared to today and compared to era before any HS line in Spain? I would expect about 2 h for the latter.
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Old October 7th, 2015, 11:19 PM   #3346
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Valladolid-Palencia or Palencia-Leon only 5€
Leon-Madrid 20 €
Palencia-Madrid 15 €
Alicante-Madrid P.A.(ticket bought a few days earlier) only 54,75 .
My film about AVE trains - strictly about RENFE Series 100:

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Old October 8th, 2015, 12:40 AM   #3347
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Looks great! Palencia is a smallish, but not exactly tiny, town which as far as transport infrastructure is concerned got more lucky than many other places of the same size.

How much is the travel time improvement compared to today and compared to era before any HS line in Spain? I would expect about 2 h for the latter.
Madrid-Palencia:

1867: 11 h 51 m
1877: 10 h 17 m
1892: 8 h 07 m
1905: 7 h 26 m
1912: 6 h 40 m
1919: 6 h 10 m
1930: 5 h
1950: 5 h 15 m
01/07/1966: 4 h 30 m
22/03/1970: 4 h 16 m
1982: 3 h 30 m
1990: 3 h
2 h 52 m
HSL Madrid-Valladolid: 23/12/2007: 1 h 44 m
14/06/2010: 1 h 36 m
30/09/2015: 1 h 21 m
2016: 1 h 17 m
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Old October 8th, 2015, 10:34 AM   #3348
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Old October 8th, 2015, 10:38 AM   #3349
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Venta de Baños has no station. Why is it pointed?

Why the way, between Puertollano and Cordova, one station is missing
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Old October 8th, 2015, 01:06 PM   #3350
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Madrid-Palencia:

1867: 11 h 51 m
1877: 10 h 17 m
1892: 8 h 07 m
1905: 7 h 26 m
1912: 6 h 40 m
1919: 6 h 10 m
1930: 5 h
1950: 5 h 15 m
01/07/1966: 4 h 30 m
22/03/1970: 4 h 16 m
1982: 3 h 30 m
1990: 3 h
2 h 52 m
HSL Madrid-Valladolid: 23/12/2007: 1 h 44 m
14/06/2010: 1 h 36 m
30/09/2015: 1 h 21 m
2016: 1 h 17 m
Incredible journey time progression.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 01:33 PM   #3351
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Thx
Do you have same data about other lines?
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Old October 8th, 2015, 08:42 PM   #3352
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Madrid-Palencia:

1867: 11 h 51 m
1877: 10 h 17 m
1892: 8 h 07 m
1905: 7 h 26 m
1912: 6 h 40 m
1919: 6 h 10 m
1930: 5 h
1950: 5 h 15 m
01/07/1966: 4 h 30 m
22/03/1970: 4 h 16 m
1982: 3 h 30 m
1990: 3 h
2 h 52 m
HSL Madrid-Valladolid: 23/12/2007: 1 h 44 m
14/06/2010: 1 h 36 m
30/09/2015: 1 h 21 m
2016: 1 h 17 m
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Incredible journey time progression.
Thanks for the numbers, Gusiluz. The first two numbers could now be beaten by a fair number of strong guys on a bicycle. There are still people alive who remember taking 5 h for this route... If that's not progress then I don't know what is.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 08:47 PM   #3353
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This shows how critical it is to complete HSL Plasencia-Toledo, to facilitate traffic to Portugal!

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Alicante-Madrid P.A.(ticket bought a few days earlier) only 54,75 .
My film about AVE trains - strictly about RENFE Series 100:
That is a well-edited video.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 10:38 PM   #3354
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Old October 10th, 2015, 06:54 PM   #3355
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This shows how critical it is to complete HSL Plasencia-Toledo, to facilitate traffic to Portugal!
I'm not sure, it doesn't seem critical as Portugal doesn't seem very interested in HS connections and AFAIK no conventional passenger trains cross the border at that point since some years ago.

I don't know how much could last a Madrid-Lisbon trip if only the Spanish part is HS, but probably too much compared to an airplane... and this could also be done via Salamanca.

And unfortunatelly, HS connection is plannified from La Sagra, not Toledo (which IMO it's an error).
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Old October 17th, 2015, 08:36 PM   #3356
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Hi!

I have a question that I can't find on the web (maybe I didn't search for it properly). There are lots of 350km/h tracks in Spain but one is still 310km/h: the Madrid Barcelona High Speed Line.
Why it is still so "slow" (even raised once from 300 km/h)? I read that it had planned for 350km/h too and also the Siemens trainsets are capable of this speed. The line is probably one of the most important in the country and connects the 2 major cities...
Thanks in advance!
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Old October 17th, 2015, 08:39 PM   #3357
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There is a technical issue in running trains at speeds over 320 km/h.
Electric consumption goes skyrocketing over those speeds, and ballast may fly out of the trackbed.
On the other hand, 300/320 km/h is a reasonably high speed, isn't it?
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Old October 17th, 2015, 08:59 PM   #3358
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Yes it is, especially as I know the reason now, I was just wondering why they planned 350km/h and ended at 300/310 km/h. Does this mean the newer 350km/h lines uses more advanced technology (concrete slabs)? I mean there are no such issues and the next generation trainsets will consume less at this speed (e.g. Talgo Avril).

Anyway thanks for the fast response!
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On the other hand, 300/320 km/h is a reasonably high speed, isn't it?
Ideally, we'd have 400km/h on balastless tracks. Or even higher, with maglev (completely different technology).
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...and ideally, lines 4 and 5 of the Sao Paulo metro should have been finished years ago. But then there's real life.
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