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Old March 22nd, 2016, 11:11 AM   #3521
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I am from Canada and have visited Spain once before in March 2014. I find the high speed train network amazing. We spent 10 days in Spain, divided between Barcelona, Seville, and Madrid taking the train everywhere. It was great. We loved Spain so much that we have to return again.

This year we are planning to return in July 2016 for 9 days (yes it will be hot, unfortunately summer is the only time we can travel). Planning to go from Barcelona to Salamanca, then Salamanca to Valencia. However trying to decode the train maps the transfer of stations in Madrid is a real challenge for the tourist who has baggage and not exactly familiar with the transit system.

We might have to rent a car, from either Madrid or Salamanca. What do you recommend?

One of the challenges is that our hotel (Hacienda Zorita) in Salamanca is actually located 22 min outside of town. But I am not opposed to using taxis for this last leg.

What is the status of the Madrid Interconnect that will connect Madrid-Chamartin to Madrid-Atocha creating a direct train. Will this be ready by July 2016? If so then the train might be perfect.

Just want to say congrats on the AVE Network, this is something that you should all be proud of.

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Old March 22nd, 2016, 11:41 AM   #3522
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The interconnection on HS trains between Chamartin and Puerta de Atocha have to wait until the end of the year, at least.
If the trip is Barcelona-Salamanca with lots of luggage I think the best way is to train 632 Barcelona (14:10 h) Valladolid (20:58 h) although it takes much because only circulates over HSR to Zaragoza. It´s possible that by the summer there is the same train direct to Salamanca.

To go Salamanca to Valencia, there Alvia to Chamartin and AVE from Puerta de Atocha to Valencia though, with lots of luggage would be preferable (single link) Salamanca-Valladolid and Valladolid-Valencia.
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Old March 22nd, 2016, 12:45 PM   #3523
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I am from Canada and have visited Spain once before in March 2014. I find the high speed train network amazing. We spent 10 days in Spain, divided between Barcelona, Seville, and Madrid taking the train everywhere. It was great. We loved Spain so much that we have to return again.

This year we are planning to return in July 2016 for 9 days (yes it will be hot, unfortunately summer is the only time we can travel). Planning to go from Barcelona to Salamanca, then Salamanca to Valencia. However trying to decode the train maps the transfer of stations in Madrid is a real challenge for the tourist who has baggage and not exactly familiar with the transit system.

We might have to rent a car, from either Madrid or Salamanca. What do you recommend?

One of the challenges is that our hotel (Hacienda Zorita) in Salamanca is actually located 22 min outside of town. But I am not opposed to using taxis for this last leg.

What is the status of the Madrid Interconnect that will connect Madrid-Chamartin to Madrid-Atocha creating a direct train. Will this be ready by July 2016? If so then the train might be perfect.

Just want to say congrats on the AVE Network, this is something that you should all be proud of.


As you will have seen, from Madrid to Salamanca you have "MD" (middle distance) trains which calls in several stations and take 2h45 or so and "Alvia" that run over HSL until Medina del Campo and classic line to Salamanca. 1h30 and could have same fare (and more comfortable) if bought in advance.

Away from Salamanca, local forumers may say you if it worths to take a taxi or to rent a car. I am not sure.


From Atocha to Chamartin you need the commuter train.

In almost all major cities you will see commuter network rails. Ticket will be included in origin and destination.

This is.... you are in somewhere in Madrid and wanna go to Barcelona.
You have an AVE ticket. You will see "combinado cercanias" and five characters.

In all commuters ticket machines you push there (combinado cercanias), write the code and will have a ticket from anywhere in Madrid or surroundings to Atocha, you will use your ticket to go to Barcelona and later, a possibility to get a ticket inside Barcelona to approach your destination.

Tickets to airports are included.

And if you come from Sevilla and want to go to Salamanca, you can either use the Sevilla-Madrid ticket or the Madrid-Salamanca to get a free connections from Atocha to Chamartin. Link takes 14 minutes and you will see one train every 5 minutes or so in peak hours.

Just two hints.

- Madrid Puerta de Atocha (long distance) and Madrid Atocha (commuters and middle distance) aren't same stations but joined. A corridor links both of them

https://www.google.es/maps/place/Mad...36dec1618c2269


- If you are going to visit Sevilla and Barcelona, direct trains are terribly cheap compared with other ones (and providing you are crossing Spain from corner to corner). Think in that. They approach Madrid but do not call there

(and I invite you to stop in Zaragoza and have a visit too.....)
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Old March 22nd, 2016, 08:18 PM   #3524
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Thanks for the tips, I have come to realize that these stations are huge. In Barcelona at the Pl. Espanya a simple transfer between the airport line and the Parallel line involved lots of tunnels. With luggage a bit of a hassle. When you look at these connections on the map they seem so easy.

Zaragoza was definitely on my list, but will have to wait till next time.
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Old March 22nd, 2016, 10:30 PM   #3525
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Barcelona airport has underground since some weeks ago.

But one of their terminals have commuter too. If you have an AVE ticket (only valid three hours in advance your departure), commuter train from airport to Sants station will be free.

This is English version map for commuter in Barcelona

http://www.renfe.com/EN/viajeros/cer...barcelona.html

As you see, one train every 30 minutes airport - Sants and no train change.
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Old March 23rd, 2016, 03:08 AM   #3526
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Thanks for the tips, I have come to realize that these stations are huge. In Barcelona at the Pl. Espanya a simple transfer between the airport line and the Parallel line involved lots of tunnels. With luggage a bit of a hassle. When you look at these connections on the map they seem so easy.

Zaragoza was definitely on my list, but will have to wait till next time.
BCN airport metro line 9 does not connect in Pl. Espanya with metro line 3.

In Pl. Espanya you can transfer from L8 to L3 using just one corridor, no tunnels. And the same from L1 to L3, just one corridor, no tunnels. Ask a local person!

From BCN airport you can take metro or train to city centre. The train ticket is free if you have got another ticket for AVE or long distance train!
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Old March 23rd, 2016, 06:12 AM   #3527
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And now we move from Northwestern Spain to Southeastern Spain.

Images taken between Monforte del Cid junction and Elche, on the HSL to Murcia.

Optimistic inner sources say "maybe June 2016".
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Old March 24th, 2016, 04:10 PM   #3528
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I read that there are plans to construct high speed rail between Barcelona and Marsielle (and this connecting to the rest of France with Paris etc).

Is this just talk or is there progress?
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Old March 24th, 2016, 04:22 PM   #3529
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I read that there are plans to construct high speed rail between Barcelona and Marsielle (and this connecting to the rest of France with Paris etc).

Is this just talk or is there progress?
There is already an operating HSL between Perpignan and Barcelona...
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Old March 24th, 2016, 05:09 PM   #3530
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There is already an operating HSL between Perpignan and Barcelona...
Ah, but will it be extended to Marseille?
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Old March 24th, 2016, 05:15 PM   #3531
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There are some difficulties with a new high-speed line between Perpignan and Marseille on the French side, but that seems to be moving, albeit slowly. The Paris-Barcelona trains run somewhat slower as a result.
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Old March 24th, 2016, 07:13 PM   #3532
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Currently there is a HSL between Barcelona and Perpignan and another HSL between Nîmes and Marseille.

In addition, there is another HSL under construction between Nîmes and Montpellier, which is scheduled to open next year.

There are plans to build a HSL in the remaining section between Perpignan and Montpellier, but no works have started yet. It won't be ready before at least 2025.
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Old March 24th, 2016, 07:52 PM   #3533
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This is, a daily Madrid-Barcelona-Montpellier-Marseille with the same train and could be a little faster in the future
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Old April 21st, 2016, 07:47 PM   #3534
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From Railway Gazette:

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Madrid high speed link nears completion
21 Apr 2016



SPAIN: On April 20 Development Minister Ana Pastor visited the 7⋅3 km tunnel between Atocha and Chamartín stations in Madrid, which upon completion of railway fit-out works will connect the high speed routes running north and south from the capital.

Laying of slab track and the provision of safety facilities, including 10 emergency exits and three ventilation shafts, has cost a total of €240m. Contracts to install signalling and telecommunications systems as well as overhead electrification equipment were awarded in May 2015, also covering the two additional tracks being built between Atocha and Torrejón de Velasco where the high speed lines to Sevilla and Valencia diverge. A separate contract to undertake tracklaying between Atocha and Torrejón de Velasco was awarded in July 2015

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Old April 21st, 2016, 08:47 PM   #3535
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I was about to mention this article as well and ask what it actually means. The project and its purpose is known to me, but they don't actually say what has been finished now, when it will open or anything new and interesting really...
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Nothing has been finished now, it's just a political visit.

The tunnel was bored 5 years ago, then they laid the tracks and stopped working.

Now they have resumed electrification and signaling works in the tunnel, as well as track laying in the 40 km section between Atocha and Torrejón de Velasco, which is necessary for opening the new tunnel (as it's not connected to other lines in Atocha itself - that's a long story).

In any event, the government announced a while ago that the tunnel would open in 2017, if I'm not mistaken.
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Old April 23rd, 2016, 08:45 PM   #3537
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Some relatively recent pictures of the Basque Y, Gipuzkoan side. Sorry for the small size:









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Number of high-speed passenger

Passengers what UIC says (millions)
1992: 1,314
1993: 3,256
1994: 3,554
1995: 3,860
1996: 4,095
1997: 4,398
1998: 4,749
1999: 5,187
2000: 5,615
2001: 5,986
2002: 6,276
2003: 6,008
2004: 6,193
2005: 7,178
2006: 8,700
2007: 9,099
2008: 16,300
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2009: 28,749
2010: 28,093
2011: 28,901
2012: 28,393
2013: 32,123
2014: 35,927
2015: 37,507
TOTAL: 321,461

Source: 1992/2008 (only AVE + Avant) UIC/Memorias anuales Renfe. 2009/2015 (LD + Avant) UIC/Fomento

Passengers-kilometers what UIC says (billions)
1992: 0,513
1993: 1,098
1994: 1,192
1995: 1,297
1996: 1,350
1997: 1,460
1998: 1,607
1999: 1,788
2000: 2,200
2001: 2,400
2002: 2,180
2003: 2,500
2004: 2,747
2005: 3,000
2006: 3,733
2007: 3,800
2008: 6,200
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2009: 11,505
2010: 11,715
2011: 11,231
2012: 11,177
2013: 12,744
2014: 13,748
2015: 14,277
TOTAL: 125,462

Source: 1992/2008 (only AVE + Avant) from UIC/Memorias anuales Renfe. 2009/2015 (LD + Avant) UIC/Fomento
Passengers and Passengers-kilometers world data, and explanation of the fact that the operators and the UIC count -in some cases- the number of passengers on high-speed trains, not on high-speed lines.

Until 2008 the UIC only counted the AVE and Avant (regional service to 250 km/h on HSR) services, with standard gauge fixed trains, and did not counted the Talgo 200 and Alvia, which partially circulate on HSR thanks to its variable gauge. Since 2009 the UIC he counted all long-distance trains (LD) plus Avant (Middle Distance HS), including services that never roam HSR, although there are very few. Renfe, however, only provides data LD without Avant, although the Eurostat Transport data
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Talgo AVRIL G3 is already homologated

The Talgo AVRIL G3 is already certified, just missing the official signing will be done this week.

The Spanish completely train: Bombardier participation does not, have a top speed of 330 km/h, 2 M 12 T, 8,800 kW, 590 seats (in rows 3 + 2, although now only a car has seats, the rest are water containers), 201.9 meters and 316 tons.

What it appears in the media about 380 km/h is about the future G4 version, with partially distributed traction and the passenger they go on ground floor (as before) and high (on motorized bogies).

The train will compete for the assignment to 15/30 Renfe HS trains.

More information and resources (in Spanish) on Wikipedia.
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Is Zaragoza Delizias among the top-5 stations in Spain when it comes to high speed passengers processed?
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