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Old October 30th, 2011, 11:47 PM   #341
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A few images of high speed trains on the Madrid-Barcelona line.
The location is La Granada station, on the R4 line of the Barcelona commuter train Renfe network.
This station is just beside the HSL.

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Old November 1st, 2011, 03:11 AM   #342
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Video of the Spanish consortium which has won the contract for the new HSR line construction in Saudi Arabia.

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Línea de Alta Velocidad Medina - La Meca. Consorcio español de alta velocidad (English version) - Adif
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Old November 1st, 2011, 08:21 AM   #343
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Now, when I look at the map to me it looks like a no brainer. The station goes on top of the existing rail line creating an intermodal hub with exelent road and rail connections to Reus, Tarragona and Salou. With a commuter rail line between Reus and Tarragona you could link up 200.000 people within a 10 minute train ride from the station, and with a short branch link up Port Aventura and Salou.
Yes, but rail hubs don't seem to be a Renfe thing. That you can use regional or commuter rail as a feeder to HSR is a concept that still has to catch on in Spain it seems to me.
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Old November 1st, 2011, 12:49 PM   #344
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I found this map in wikipedia, looks interesting

Septembre 2011
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Old November 1st, 2011, 01:19 PM   #345
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Yes, but rail hubs don't seem to be a Renfe thing. That you can use regional or commuter rail as a feeder to HSR is a concept that still has to catch on in Spain it seems to me.
One can accuse Renfe of a lot of bad things but they are not responsible for the location of the train stations. The problem here is that local athority has overridden common sense and opted for train-airport intermodal hub (the latest shit in Spain).

They seemed to forget that for the airport-train station concept to work you need an airport with traffic in the 10+ million passengers range. Another problem is that Reus Airport is not an international hub and will never be with Barcelona, Valencia and Madrid serving that function.

Of cause another problem is that the train station is located on the wrong side of the airport so i any case a shuttle bus will be needed, but I doubt that will ever be needed, without Ryan Air Reus is an airport that serve charter tourists (about half a million of them) to Salou and Cambrils and that's about it.

However the main problem with the train station is the location itself. It is really stupid as you will only be able to access it from one direction, this will creat a huge bottleneck for car traffic that would never had happened if they had choosen to build the station to the south on top of the existing rail road, where you can connect the station to three major roads (independently) and at the same time with minimal effort connect all the important towns around with commuter rail.

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Old November 1st, 2011, 04:10 PM   #346
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I found this map in wikipedia, looks interesting

Septembre 2011

This is CURRENT map for high speed railway and international gauge. All lines are prepared for 300 km/h at least except Zaragoza-Huesca (international gauge but only 200 or 160 km/h)

Take a look that at Madrid the two stations are not still linked (under construction).

There are trains running on international gauge from Madrid to all those corners (Sevilla, Malaga, Valencia, Albacete, Toledo, Huesca, Barcelona and Valladolid).
There are also trains running from Barcelona to Sevilla and Barcelona to Malaga without stopping at Madrid. There is a by-pass in the south of Madrid... and it is under construction another one to link Valencia and Sevilla/Malaga with non-stop at Madrid (faster and less kilometres).
And also there are trains Madrid-Puertollano, Sevilla-Malaga, Barcelona-Lleida and Zaragoza-Calatayud for short distances using this infrastructure

Apart of those trains which are 100% international gauge there are trains that uses all that they can of the high speed network and have an interchange of rails to continue in the Spanish gauge to any corner. Cadiz, Huelva, Algeciras, Malaga, Alicante, Castellon, Logroño, Pamplona, Irun, Bilbao, Santander, Gijon, La Coruña and Vigo are linked to Madrid via high speed line and a change of gauges.

Pamplona, Irun, Bilbao, Vigo and Gijon are linked to Barcelona making part of way in high speed line (until Zaragoza) and later with the Spanish gauge.

And... I had a "Miss". It appears the international tunnel near Mediterranean where two daily TGV trains arrive from Paris (and nearly another one from Geneve)
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Old November 1st, 2011, 07:06 PM   #347
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Thanks for the explanation
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There are also trains running from Barcelona to Sevilla and Barcelona to Malaga without stopping at Madrid. There is a by-pass in the south of Madrid... and it is under construction another one to link Valencia and Sevilla/Malaga with non-stop at Madrid (faster and less kilometres).
Is this future by-pass will be in the south of Toledo ? and no is there already AVE from Valencia to Sevilla/Malaga with non-stop at Madrid Atocha ? it looks like it's possible in the map ?
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Old November 1st, 2011, 08:34 PM   #348
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and no is there already AVE from Valencia to Sevilla/Malaga with non-stop at Madrid Atocha ?
There aren't, because the link between Madrid-Levante (Valencia, ...) and Madrid-Andalusia (Cordoba, Malaga, ...) lines is still under construction: http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Madrid&...pagna&t=h&z=16
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Is it correct that the new HSR tunnels under Barcelona, Girona and Madrid are drilled with one tube with 2 tracks and not (as normal) with 2 tubes with one track each.
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When are they going to link Chamartin and Atocha for HSR? And after that happens, will Chamartin stop being an HSR station or continue to be one (in a less significant capacity) a la Ueno Station in Tokyo?
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Is it correct that the new HSR tunnels under Barcelona, Girona and Madrid are drilled with one tube with 2 tracks and not (as normal) with 2 tubes with one track each.
Why does that seem so strange to you?

It really makes no difference.
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When are they going to link Chamartin and Atocha for HSR? And after that happens, will Chamartin stop being an HSR station or continue to be one (in a less significant capacity) a la Ueno Station in Tokyo?
It´ll continue to be one.
It will actually be the terminus for all the AVE trains to Valencia and Alicante, which will quit Atocha station because Atocha is approaching saturation..
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 11:18 AM   #353
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It seemed to me that in Atocha a lot of capacity is lost because of trains standing there doing nothing...
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Is it correct that the new HSR tunnels under Barcelona, Girona and Madrid are drilled with one tube with 2 tracks and not (as normal) with 2 tubes with one track each.
with normal, do you mean the Channel Tunnel ?
I think most of urban tunnel are one tube, since the train speed limit is quite low
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Just wait a minute before you jump the gun because i didn't say it was strange i was just interested in this kind of tunneling.

Here in Scandinavia we mostly use tunnels with 2 tubes like the Copenhagen metro, Citytunneln in Malmö, the Great Belt rail tunnel and also one of the proposed H-H tunnels between Denmark and Sweden is designed with 2 tubes.
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ok fine...didn't know about scandinavian metros
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Thanks for the explanation

Is this future by-pass will be in the south of Toledo ? and no is there already AVE from Valencia to Sevilla/Malaga with non-stop at Madrid Atocha ? it looks like it's possible in the map ?


They will be existing lines only. Currently it would be possible if running Valencia-Madrid, stopping after the cross in the middle of the line and going backside to Sevilla.

With this new link a train will be able to go from Valencia to Sevilla and Malaga with no stop.


As an example, this is the link near Madrid for trains from Barcelona to Sevilla and Malaga.

The connection is the railway besides the M-50. The other lines are the main ones Madrid-Sevilla and Madrid-Barcelona.

http://maps.google.es/?ll=40.325477,...h&z=14&vpsrc=6
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Old November 4th, 2011, 02:01 AM   #358
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@ harrys

Sorry if i was rude to you but i was referring to the other user who thought that i was thinging that is was strange to build with one tube.

But another question, is it cheaper to use one tube instead of 2, because you will need a much larger TBM to fit 2 tracks in the tunnel.
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It depends on the length of the tunnel and the kind of line you´re building, and the kind of soil you´re boring.
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Old November 4th, 2011, 03:06 AM   #360
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Two separate tubes gives several advantages:
* Safety: if a train should derail, it can't crash into one travelling in the opposite direction.

* Redundancy: if one tube is closed due to accidents, fire or maintenance, the other can be used bi-directionally. The Simplon tunnel is still operating on the one tunnel that's fully open (after a fire several months ago).
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