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Old August 4th, 2017, 09:58 PM   #3901
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Ahem... there was a time whenn long-distance trains used to hive a side corridor and about compartments of two rows of 3 or even 4 seats.

Why wasn't it a problem then, and why is it now?
No, compartments, no please!!!!
It is annoying to share that tiny space with some other people during long periods. Last time I suffered one was recently at an InterCity train in Italy. I was seating by the window and everytime I wanted to go to the toilet I had to bother everyone. Additionally one of the passengers had a severe cold and kept on sneezing all the time. Really disgusting honestly.

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Old August 4th, 2017, 10:37 PM   #3903
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although I can see Burgos-Vitoria going ahead soon(ish), because of current inner Spanish politics.
It is also I believe the most expensive at a cost of 2,2 billion euros for 90km of railway. Some 23-24 million euros per km. Similar in cost to the Madrid to Valladolid HSR, although this one will have tunnels built to lower standards, IE two track tunnels with small cross sections.

https://www.fomento.gob.es/ferrocarr...resupuesto.pdf

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Old August 5th, 2017, 03:23 AM   #3904
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No, compartments, no please!!!!
It is annoying to share that tiny space with some other people during long periods. Last time I suffered one was recently at an InterCity train in Italy. I was seating by the window and everytime I wanted to go to the toilet I had to bother everyone. Additionally one of the passengers had a severe cold and kept on sneezing all the time. Really disgusting honestly.

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Was it like this?

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Old August 5th, 2017, 03:26 AM   #3905
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According to the recently reached deal between the local government of Madrid, the Ministry of Public Works and the real state consortium around the Operación Chamartín, the now called "Nuevo Norte" operation would massively upgrade its services going from 6 to 18 high speed tracks (31 tracks including the commuter rail service).

It's not like the deal is set in stone (you could say it's bound to be derailed, *pun intended*). A good-faith declaration to go on holidays in good peace of mind, but interesting, anyways.

http://www.elmundo.es/madrid/2017/07...63f8b45d9.html
http://www.finanzas.com/noticias/emp...z-3663972.html
When is the north-south HSR tunnel due to open? IRJ just says in the new few months.

Will they have it ready for the European rail timetable switch day (2017.12.10)?

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...-approved.html
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Old August 5th, 2017, 11:37 AM   #3906
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Certainly not.

The latest announced by Fomento is the end of the works in the first quarter of 2018.
We must remember that the new tunnel passes below Atocha without possibility of stopping during, probably, the next ten years.


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It is also I believe the most expensive at a cost of 2,2 billion euros for 90km of railway. Some 23-24 million euros per km. Similar in cost to the Madrid to Valladolid HSR, although this one will have tunnels built to lower standards, IE two track tunnels with small cross sections.

https://www.fomento.gob.es/ferrocarr...resupuesto.pdf
This informative study is old, in 2015 there was another for 1.536 M € and the current one has not yet been published.
It involves an investment of 1,374 M € (Alternative Center, 15.65 per km) or 1,241 M € (alternative west, 13.68 per km).
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Old October 5th, 2017, 07:29 PM   #3907
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Spanish airline to enter high-speed rail market. IRJ
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The Air Nostrum airline’s rail subsidiary Intermodalidad de Levante (Ilsa) submitted a notification of its plans to Spain’s National Commission for Markets and Competition (CNMC) on September 25, becoming the first private company to formally seek permission to launch international services on the Spanish high-speed network.

Ilsa is in the process of obtaining Part A and B safety certification from national safety authority AESF to operate on the Spanish network.

Ilsa initially plans to operate two return services a day between Madrid Atocha and Montpellier Saint-Roch from October 5 2018, with intermediate stops at Zaragoza, Barcelona Sants, Perpignan and Narbonne and a journey time of 5h 47min.

According to the provisional timetable submitted to CNMC, services will depart from Madrid at 07.45 and 15.30, with the southbound trains leaving Montpellier at 07.00 and 15.30. In total, Ilsa plans to operate 1.387 million train-km per year.

Rolling stock will be leased from Renfe and Ilsa plans to use 300km/h series 100 AVE trains, which seat 347 passengers. Light maintenance of the trains will be carried out at Cerro Negro depot in Madrid.
The only trains that can make the journey in a year are the 100F series currently operated by Renfe and SNCF in Cooperation.
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Old October 27th, 2017, 11:04 PM   #3908
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Madrid Atocha by Attila Németh, on Flickr
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Madrid Chamartín by Attila Németh, on Flickr
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Old December 2nd, 2017, 09:40 PM   #3909
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HSL Antequera - Granada

Testing has started on the new HSL Antequera - Granada (112 km).

These two pictures were taken exactly in the same place, a few km from the railway station of Granada; the first one in April 2015, and the second one yesterday. You can spot the differences:





Source: http://forotrenes.com/foro/viewtopic...2333&start=600
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Old December 2nd, 2017, 10:52 PM   #3910
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How much of the line is single? Does it have enough ROW for a second line in the future all the way?
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Old December 2nd, 2017, 11:21 PM   #3911
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This informative study is old, in 2015 there was another for 1.536 M € and the current one has not yet been published.
It involves an investment of 1,374 M € (Alternative Center, 15.65 per km) or 1,241 M € (alternative west, 13.68 per km).
It seems to me that planning wasn't very intelligent with this railway. They spent a lot of money building a new double track railway between Valladolid and Burgos when the existing one was already very straight and with a much smaller budget could have been upgraded. A third track for freight trains and 200-250km/h for the existing railway with minor curve adjustments. Then burn all the money on Burgos-Vitoria where the real gains are.
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Old December 3rd, 2017, 12:31 AM   #3912
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How much of the line is single? Does it have enough ROW for a second line in the future all the way?
You can see it here:

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Interesantísimo artículo de El Ideal, de Granada, sobre las obras en la estación de Granada: Acelerón para acabar en un mes las obras del AVE en Granada con nada menos que 50 fotografías.

Por lo que he visto, todas son compatibles con este esquema, ya modificado sobre el oficial.

Lo que no cuadra es que, según hemos visto en alguna fotografía de este Hilo, la diagonal hacia las vías 2 4 y 6 empieza con ancho mixto en un tramo mayor al mostrado. También es verdad que el proyecto original contemplaba ese ancho mixto para sacar una vía en ibérico al depósito, lo raro es que en dichas fotografías se ve claramente que la vía en ibérico sale antes, tal y como está en el esquema; y no creo que vayan a poner dos. En fin, ya veremos.
In blue: standard gauge
In red: Iberian gauge
In green: mixed gauge

The first 32 km of the line (from Antequera - Sta. Ana to Archidona) have double track. The rest of the line has single track.

The sections shown in blue are newly built, so there's already place for a second track, while in the sections shown in green the HSL will share a single track (mixed gauge) with the old line, and generally there's no room for a second track (but between Loja and Tocón there's already place for a second track, with the exception of some overpasses).

The pictures I previously posted were taken in the short (1 km) green section between Bifurcación La Chana and Granada. That section is supposed to be temporary until a new underground access to Granada is built, but it can last for decades.

To sum up:

Antequera Santa Ana - Archidona (32 km): double track, standard gauge
Archidona - Bifurcación Quejígares (18 km): single track, standard gauge, ROW for second track
Bifurcación Quejígares - Loja (11 km): single track, mixed gauge
Loja - Bifurcación Tocón (16 km): single track, mixed gauge, ROW for second track
Bifurcación Tocón - Bifurcación La Chana (31 km): single track, standard gauge, ROW for second track
Bifurcación La Chana - Granada (1 km): single track, mixed gauge
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So between Quejigares and Loja will they build a brand new HSL in the future, maybe when they also restart building the railway from Antequera and Sevilla?
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Supposedly, the so-called Loja bypass is planned to be built sometime in the future, according to the government. But honestly, I'm not very optimistic about it. Once AVE trains are able to reach Granada, the priority will shift to somewhere else.

As from the unfinished line between Seville and Antequera, it was a project of the Andalusian regional government, which was abandoned due to lack of funding, and the Spanish government doesn't seem very willing to assume the costs of its construction.

A short bypass connecting the HSLs to Málaga and Seville west of Córdoba is now being studied as a cheaper alternative to improve travel times from Seville to both Málaga and Granada, as trains wouldn't have to reverse anymore in Córdoba to go from one HSL to the other.
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HSL Antequera - Granada

If you want to see how the first testings went on Friday, I highly recommend this video recorded by a dron:

http://www.ideal.es/granada/espectac...131240-vi.html

You can see in particular the areas near Bifurcación Quejígares, Antequera-Archidona, and Loja and Granada stations.
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If you want to see how the first testings went on Friday, I highly recommend this video recorded by a dron:

http://www.ideal.es/granada/espectac...131240-vi.html

You can see in particular the areas near Bifurcación Quejígares, Antequera-Archidona, and Loja and Granada stations.
Thanks! In the beginning of the video we see a three large bridges (over what?), one for the new line, one for the conventional line and the third one seemingly abandoned. Do you know what the story is with that third bridge?
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This is the exact location:

https://www.google.es/maps/@37.13551.../data=!3m1!1e3

The bridges are built over the Riofrío, a ravine.

The oldest bridge was built in 1873, and it remained in service until it was replaced by the second bridge in 1982.

More information (in Spanish) can be found here:

http://www.iaph.es/patrimonio-inmueb...umen.do?id=i90

And some pictures of that bridge, also from the same source:





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It hasn't been demolished because it's architectural heritage. That's nice, but too bad it couldn't be used for something. Cycling path perhaps?
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Sometimes it is cheaper remaining it...

when current bridge for railway in my city was opened, last before (50m away) was down. They wanted to remain... just in case, but do not know reason because 50m away there was another bridge for cars and pedestrians. It had no sense.

Finally they destroyed it because it was the lowest brigde and could have problems in case of overflood.
(and it was weird in riverscape)

But took some years
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France – Espagne : Elipsos concurrencé par Air Nostrum ?

La compagnie Air Nostrum, leader de l’aviation régionale en Espagne, a déposé début octobre 2017 une demande auprès de l’autorité espagnole de la concurrence (CNMC) pour exploiter en open access des trains à grande vitesse entre Madrid et Montpellier-Saint-Roch. Elle a ainsi créé, dans le cadre de l’ouverture à la concurrence du transport ferroviaire en Europe, une filiale (Intermodalidad de Levante SA – Ilsa), chargée d’exploiter, avec des AVE S 100 R, dans un premier temps deux AR Madrid-Atocha – Montpellier-Saint-Roch à partir du 5 octobre 2018, avec des départs de Madrid à 7 h 45 et 15 h 30 et de Montpellier à 7 h 00 et 15 h 30. Ces trains desserviraient également Saragosse-Delicias, Barcelone-Sants, Perpignan et Narbonne.

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