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Old November 22nd, 2011, 12:14 AM   #381
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That is very interesting information. I have never heard about that facility in Malaga, thank you very much
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 04:30 AM   #382
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Recorded at the high speed rail Madrid - Barcelona (province of Zaragoza).



Superb!
Amazing! They sound like planes.
Here it is the 1st video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcXiXCGVNPM
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 02:31 PM   #383
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That is very interesting information. I have never heard about that facility in Malaga, thank you very much
It's that one:

http://maps.google.es/maps?ll=36.696834,-4.467761&z=18
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Old November 24th, 2011, 02:33 AM   #384
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A new high speed train (350 Km/h), the CAF Oaris (Renfe Serie 105), is being tested in Spain these days:

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According to CAF, the Oaris platform is based around a distributed power concept, allowing sets to be formed with four, six or eight coaches. Each vehicle would have one motored bogie with two asynchronous three phase motors and VVVF inverter drive, allowing the installed power to be directly related to train length. A multi-system traction package would allow operation at 1·5 or 3 kV DC, 15 or 25 kV AC. An eight-car set would have two transformers feeding four inverter sets, with one inverter per supplying the two traction motors on that vehicle.

The aluminium bodyshells have been designed to meet all European TSIs and crashworthiness requirements whilst keeping weight to a minimum. Bogies would have helical spring primary suspensions and a pneumatic secondary suspension backed up by transverse and lateral linkages between bogie and car body. Traction motors would be frame-mounted to minimise unsprung weight.

CAF says the trains could be supplied for 1 435 or 1 668 mm gauge, with a gauge-convertible option also envisaged. Oaris is intended to accept a variety of signalling systems now in use across Europe, as well as ETCS.
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Old November 24th, 2011, 07:51 AM   #385
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How long does it take from Madrid to Barcelona? Did the train stop anywhere during the trip?
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Old November 24th, 2011, 09:45 PM   #386
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How long does it take from Madrid to Barcelona? Did the train stop anywhere during the trip?
2h40 the fastest, not-stop services. Some stop at Zaragoza and Lleida.
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Old November 24th, 2011, 11:02 PM   #387
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AVE Madrid-Barcelona has direct non-stop trains, trains which stop only at Zaragoza, and others which stop at Guadalajara-Yebes or Calatayud, Zaragoza, Lleida and Camp de Tarragona.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 01:05 AM   #388
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2h40 the fastest, not-stop services. Some stop at Zaragoza and Lleida.
It is 2H30 now that they have started to use ETCS 2. Still that is relatively slow at 248km/h average speed. At the current max speed (310km/h) it is possible already now to run the direct trains in 2H15 but RENFE has this no late trains policy so the trains usually end up arriving ahead of the timetable, sometimes as much as 20 min for the direct trains.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 02:13 AM   #389
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I hope the new party in power does not halt the expansion of the HSR network.

Austerity during a recession= more recession.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 02:56 AM   #390
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that's what the party that has lost the election said...

so yes there will be austerity, and a lot, but not on trains, but in health, education, etc

austerity will be an excuse to say we are wrong, so they can privatize what have always wanted to privatize
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Old November 25th, 2011, 03:57 AM   #391
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It would be nice if some HSR operations were privatized in Spain. Fares are too cheap IMO, they can be raised to French or Italian standards.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 11:53 AM   #392
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well, it's a government-built railway line and a government-owned public company running the services, so people has already paid and continues to pay via taxes, it's only fair that fares are low.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 01:59 PM   #393
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A new high speed train (350 Km/h), the CAF Oaris (Renfe Serie 105), is being tested in Spain these days:
Oh exciting!
I much prefer CAF-built trains to Talgo ones, I hope this turns out to be a successful set!
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Old November 25th, 2011, 04:12 PM   #394
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How long does it take from Madrid to Barcelona? Did the train stop anywhere during the trip?

With some changes, the regular timetables are (monday to friday):

Five direct trains non-stop Madrid-Barcelona. Three early morning and two in the evening. They do not run on weekends, summer, Christmas, Easter...

And every hour departing Madrid at XX:30 and Barcelona at XX:00

- First train stops only at Zaragoza
- Second train stops at Calatayud, Zaragoza, Lleida and Camp de Tarragona
- Third train stops only at Zaragoza
- Fourth trains stops at Guadalajara, Zaragoza, Lleida and Camp de Tarragona.

So then, except the five direct trains, all of them stops at Zaragoza (one every hour). Half of them stops at Lleida and Camp de Tarragona (one every two hours) and at Calatayud and Guadalajara every 4 hours
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Old November 25th, 2011, 06:29 PM   #395
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It would be nice if some HSR operations were privatized in Spain. Fares are too cheap IMO, they can be raised to French or Italian standards.
I don't know what will this party do but at the end the rail market will be a free market in some years, like air companies market was done. Both privatized or not, spanish' rails will have private companies over them. SNCF is one of the interested companies.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 01:51 AM   #396
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It would be nice if some HSR operations were privatized in Spain. Fares are too cheap IMO, they can be raised to French or Italian standards.
WHAT??????????????????

all HST infrastructure belong to the Spanish, privatize and sell it would be a stolen. because a private company would never pay what it cost to build the infrastructure that is owned by the citizenry
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Old November 26th, 2011, 02:01 AM   #397
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It would be nice if some HSR operations were privatized in Spain. Fares are too cheap IMO, they can be raised to French or Italian standards.
So you wish users will pay more, and that extraprofits from the use of an infrastructure built with taxpayer's money will go to a private company.
It is very often a real struggle to understand the points you try to make.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 03:09 AM   #398
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I'm talking about privatizing the operations, not the infrastructure. Like complying right now with European directives, segregating de-facto the infrastructure from the train operations, and selling or leasing the latter for the highest bidder. Or allow any private operator willing to pay tolls (like in highways) to run high-speed trains over Spanish tracks.

Nowhere I spoke of selling the tracks and stations, sorry if you understood that.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 03:13 AM   #399
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It would be nice if some HSR operations were privatized in Spain. Fares are too cheap IMO, they can be raised to French or Italian standards.
Madrid-Valencia: 391 km and 79.80 EUR -> 0.204 EUR/km

Milano-Bologna: 215 km and 42 EUR -> 0.195 EUR/km

And in Italy you have several different options for all the different costumers (Regionale, Intercity, Frecciargento, Frecciarossa...). In Spain usually all those services disappear or raise their prices a lot so that "everybody choose HS".

Moreover, prices/wages are 10% higher in Italy.
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I'm talking about privatizing the operations, not the infrastructure. Like complying right now with European directives, segregating de-facto the infrastructure from the train operations, and selling or leasing the latter for the highest bidder. Or allow any private operator willing to pay tolls (like in highways) to run high-speed trains over Spanish tracks.
Spain desperately needs that, but to lower prices and add more options for costumers. Right now the people who use HSL are those who used to take a plane. All the bus-users and many train-users have left the train because it is just too expensive and there are few trains available.

That's ridiculous. After spending such amount of money in HSL, transport by bus/car should be almost inexistent in most routes.
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