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Old January 27th, 2012, 05:09 PM   #461
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These marketing campaigns by Renfe are ludricus. They already have captured 80% of the bussiness market so that one is saturated. The turist market is overpriced by 30% atlest and untill they figure that out, trains will continue to run half empty, no marketing campaign in the world will change that.

Their real problem is that they have to few trains and they run to far between. It is time to open up the network for competing operators now, renfe only use 12% of the available slots on the Madrid-Barcelona route, some 40 out of 360. So we have a brand new line sitting idle
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Old January 30th, 2012, 03:23 PM   #462
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These marketing campaigns by Renfe are ludricus. They already have captured 80% of the bussiness market so that one is saturated. The turist market is overpriced by 30% atlest and untill they figure that out, trains will continue to run half empty, no marketing campaign in the world will change that.

Their real problem is that they have to few trains and they run to far between. It is time to open up the network for competing operators now, renfe only use 12% of the available slots on the Madrid-Barcelona route, some 40 out of 360. So we have a brand new line sitting idle


There is concurrence in freight (I think that seven different companies but not sure) but still not at passengers.

Adif (public company for rail infrastructures including stations and lines), as an example, offers you the possibility to check if a train is on time or has an incident and has delay. In its database they indicate number of train, station of depart, arrival, time... and company!!!!. Always the company is "renfe" but they are ready to have different ones.

In Spanish threads we make questions about what will happen with a new operator.
Renfe has focused in a high level passenger. Good trains, a lot of services included in the price (maybe you do not need all of them) but expensive fares.

And it is easy to think that for a (for instance) less than two hours journey you can erase bar-wagon (one passenger wagon more, more seats, less cost per seat) and only some snack and drink machines, less services (just travel) and still run 300 km/h on half price.

That day they will use a lot of slots.


When Madrid-Barcelona high speed line was opened, they knew that someone traveling by car (specially for stations in the middle) will use the train, less use for planes (Zaragoza airport left having planes to Madrid after 52 years) but... bus will remain. Why??? because the fares were so different that they type of passenger is different.

Try to put fare in half price than now, just without services but the same speed and be sure that the bus will be afraid!!!
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Old January 30th, 2012, 03:33 PM   #463
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They should allow some private operators offering low-cost services in Spain. Trains without bars/restaurants, less toilets, restriction on how much luggage you can take it, online ticket sales only etc.
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Old January 30th, 2012, 03:55 PM   #464
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The process to open the market to other companies has started, but I don't know why, it's too slow...
Until 2017 we won't see another company with passengers services.
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Old January 31st, 2012, 10:44 PM   #465
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They should allow some private operators offering low-cost services in Spain. Trains without bars/restaurants, less toilets, restriction on how much luggage you can take it, online ticket sales only etc.


Just... take any railway in the Spanish forum, write that sentences (even in English) and you will, quickly receive answers with "+1", "+2", etc...
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 04:00 PM   #466
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Hello, could anyone here summarize how are the construction works progressing? I am specially interrested in Badajos-Caceres, Sevilla-Granada and Santiago de Compostela-Madrid. This map says that many sections in those routes are under constructions:

http://www.bueker.net/trainspotting/...-peninsula.gif

So, is the map updated? Simply all those sectors in construction? Any ideas about the plans to finish off the lines, when segments will be open, etc? thanks a lot =)
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 05:55 PM   #467
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It depends of the section.

- Badajos-Caceres: They're working, but there are in the first stages of the works.

- Sevilla-Granada: The works are going very well, some of them are near to be finish, except in two sections: the access to Seville a the Loja's bypass. They are supossed to be opened without this sections, but it isn't confirmed.

-Santiago-Madrid: Santiago-Ourense were opened in last december, Ourense-Zamora it's near to start the works and Zamora-Madrid have works in progress and are near to be finished.
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Old February 24th, 2012, 09:51 AM   #468
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Hello, could anyone here summarize how are the construction works progressing? I am specially interrested in Badajos-Caceres, Sevilla-Granada and Santiago de Compostela-Madrid. This map says that many sections in those routes are under constructions:
The Alicante-Albacete section will probably open at the end of this year (so that there will be a direct service from Alicante-Madrid and viceversa).
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Old February 25th, 2012, 09:03 AM   #469
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Hello, could anyone here summarize how are the construction works progressing? I am specially interrested in Badajos-Caceres, Sevilla-Granada and Santiago de Compostela-Madrid. This map says that many sections in those routes are under constructions:

http://www.bueker.net/trainspotting/...-peninsula.gif

So, is the map updated? Simply all those sectors in construction? Any ideas about the plans to finish off the lines, when segments will be open, etc? thanks a lot =)
A good map of Spain's rail infrastructure is the following one, courtesy of geotren.es: http://rfe.geotren.es/ Right mouse button to zoom in on it. Ancho means Gauge, En contruccion means Under contruction and the abbreviations DIA, EI etc. have to do with phases of the project. I think DIA means Declaracion de Impacto Ambiental (Environmental impact of the project) but other Spanish rail 'frikis' can better explain that probably.
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Old February 29th, 2012, 01:11 PM   #470
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Old March 2nd, 2012, 05:17 PM   #471
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Old March 5th, 2012, 07:18 PM   #472
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Old March 13th, 2012, 06:22 PM   #473
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More delays for the Barcelona - Figueres High-speed line

The press here in Catalunya has reported more delays for the last stretches of the high-speed line from Barcelona to Figueres, mentioning a tentative inauguration in March 2013. The reason for the delay is that the contracts for the track laying and installation of overhead wiring have not been closed yet for both the urban stretch in Barcelona as well as Girona. The central government has promised to reduce the delays to a minimum and obviously blames the previous national government from Zapatero.

More information from el Periodico in Spanish here
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Old March 17th, 2012, 04:50 PM   #474
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 04:04 PM   #475
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 11:22 PM   #476
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Old April 24th, 2012, 03:44 AM   #477
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I don't understand a single word, but I am deeply impressed by Spain's progress infrastructure wise over the last 20 years.
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Old April 25th, 2012, 04:38 PM   #478
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Somethings have changed in 20 years

Some plane connections have been gone only because rail is faster (considering a trip city centre to city centre and thinking in not boarding in advance in a train)

Some people have decided to live several km. away knowing that in less than one hour they will be in city centre.

Some cities with poor connections but now with a station have grown.

If nice connections (enough trains per day to choose), most of bussiness trips are made by train and not by plane

Train is not used only to travel corner to corner... people start thinking in connections only 150 km or similar as well as commuter trains.


But... there are still too many things to do. In 1992 the railway in Spain was awful. Today we have a luxurious service in some ways but an awful services in other ways.
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Old April 25th, 2012, 04:57 PM   #479
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Old April 25th, 2012, 05:48 PM   #480
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is it also variable gauge? where will they use them?
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