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Old August 26th, 2012, 07:45 PM   #561
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How is that even allowed considering safety/evacuation regulations?
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Old August 26th, 2012, 08:33 PM   #562
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ERTMS, and if possible, decent doors, as platforms in Spain are 68cm high.

IIRC the Dutch HSL Zuid has ERTMS too, so I imagine the new Eurostars are compatible as they are being built to go to Amsterdam. As for the platforms, British ones are also higher. There are folding steps on their current trains.

Sounds like this could happen with the right political will. The 320 km/h top speed will help on the southern reaches of the French LGVs.
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Old August 28th, 2012, 12:38 AM   #564
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I traveled by the train Paris-Figueres and untill Perpignan it was almost full.

so some ideas about timetabel for new Figueres - Barcelona highspeed line:

There is a lot of TGV trains to Perpignan even Perpignan - Brussels, why not to expand all of tham to Barcelona?

DB with cooperation with SNCF started service Frankfurt - Starsbourg - Lyon - Marsellie some months ago, why not to split it to two parts in Valence TGV and send one to Marsellie and another one to Barcelona?

Actual Paris - Figueres (Barcelona) trains are not synchronized with trains from Germany (Berlin-Paris nigh train and mentioned Frankfurt - Marsellie) let's hope thath this will change with high speen Figueres- Barcelona ones opened.
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Old August 28th, 2012, 02:03 AM   #565
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If anything, such international collaborations should be cracked upon because they preclude international independent private train operators for even having a chance to apply to slots couple years in advance (so that they can buy trains).
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Old August 28th, 2012, 02:40 AM   #566
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I traveled by the train Paris-Figueres and untill Perpignan it was almost full.

so some ideas about timetabel for new Figueres - Barcelona highspeed line:

There is a lot of TGV trains to Perpignan even Perpignan - Brussels, why not to expand all of tham to Barcelona?

DB with cooperation with SNCF started service Frankfurt - Starsbourg - Lyon - Marsellie some months ago, why not to split it to two parts in Valence TGV and send one to Marsellie and another one to Barcelona?

Actual Paris - Figueres (Barcelona) trains are not synchronized with trains from Germany (Berlin-Paris nigh train and mentioned Frankfurt - Marsellie) let's hope thath this will change with high speen Figueres- Barcelona ones opened.

Old railways in Spain and Portugal have a different gauge wide than the rest of Europe.

High speed lines have the international gauge wide but... only in those new lines built after 1992. There are too many (the country with more high speed lines in Europe) but still do not link with European network.

That means... for running from anywhere with international gauge to a Spanish gauge you may be on a train able to change automatically... or just make a connection between two trains.

This is why trains from anywhere in France cannot go after Figueres, where the international gauge railway ends (strech until Barcelona is under construction and in an advanced status).

There, currently it is possible to shuttle to a train in Spanish gauge until Barcelona.

When the new line Barcelona-Figueres will be open, it will be possible to go from anywhere in Europe to southern Spain.

Furthermore, Sevilla, Malaga, Valencia, Barcelona, Madrid, Toledo, Albacete and Valladolid are all of them linked by high speed lines with standards of 300 km/h.


On summer there is one non-stop Barcelona-Sevilla that runs in 4 hours 50 minutes (about 1200 km, which makes 244km/h of commercial speed!!!)
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Old August 28th, 2012, 06:14 AM   #567
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I traveled by the train Paris-Figueres and untill Perpignan it was almost full.

so some ideas about timetabel for new Figueres - Barcelona highspeed line:

There is a lot of TGV trains to Perpignan even Perpignan - Brussels, why not to expand all of tham to Barcelona?

DB with cooperation with SNCF started service Frankfurt - Starsbourg - Lyon - Marsellie some months ago, why not to split it to two parts in Valence TGV and send one to Marsellie and another one to Barcelona?
NO. There´s no need, nor passengers, nor rail frequencies available, nor competitivity in that route.

That train should cross France, so I guess the French should have their say about it.

Besides, the EU will be dead by that time. Spain has an interest in keeping good relationship with France.

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Actual Paris - Figueres (Barcelona) trains are not synchronized with trains from Germany (Berlin-Paris nigh train and mentioned Frankfurt - Marsellie) let's hope thath this will change with high speen Figueres- Barcelona ones opened.
Why should they be synchronized with any train from Germany? So as the Germans can come to the beach? They have the airplane... or the Baltic.

The German passengers will become a negligible part of the passengers on the France-Spain HSL. This is a France-Spain line, so I don´t see why Germany should be in the middle like every Thursday on every week.
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Old August 28th, 2012, 04:11 PM   #568
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Why should they be synchronized with any train from Germany? So as the Germans can come to the beach? They have the airplane... or the Baltic.

The German passengers will become a negligible part of the passengers on the France-Spain HSL. This is a France-Spain line, so I don´t see why Germany should be in the middle like every Thursday on every week.
that´s one of these answers you really can keep for yourself..
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Old August 28th, 2012, 05:02 PM   #569
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today only Figueres has a real connection timetables between Spain and France. In the other stations, incluiding Canfranc with only two local trains in Spain and bus service served by SNCF in France, timetables are not matched.

So we can be very happy because international connection!!


Anyway... in different forums it is said that a train Madrid-Paris will have few passengers point to point but a lot of passengers in other stations. This is... there is a good service Madrid-Paris by plane, as well as from Lyon, Barcelona, etc... but a poor service from other stations with an importan numer of inhabitants.

These stations will be the ones that will fill the train.

More international connections?. It will depend mainly of German and French railways... Today there is a train until Geneve. Is there any connection to the other corner of Switzerland?. Not assured. You arrive and ask for it.


From my point of view... as many connections will be welcome... but... who has to assure them?
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Old August 28th, 2012, 07:04 PM   #570
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Today there is a train until Geneve. Is there any connection to the other corner of Switzerland?. Not assured. You arrive and ask for it.
Today's international elipsos train reaches Lausanne, Fribourg, Bern and Zurich after Geneva.

I bet once the TGV's are introduced some sort of connection will be made available considering CFF's policy on the issue, probably by having it arriving at the perfect time for existing trains, it will heavily depend on schedules though of course, such long-distance trains are more prone at deviating from the set timetables. In any case Geneva's train station is well connected to the rest of the country with trains towards Zurich departing every 30min, half of them through Neuchâtel - Olten and the other half through Lausanne - Bern, and trains to Bern even more frequent, with no need to mention Lausanne given that they have almost become a suburban network.
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Old August 28th, 2012, 07:26 PM   #571
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What I wanted to say is that being on service Barcelona-Figueres, let's suppose that almost all of trains from France will be anywhere-Barcelona (they can come from Paris, Toulouse, Nice, Switzerland, Brussels and Germany for instance...) and a few of them will continue anywhere (mainly Madrid but they could arrive to Sevilla and Malaga running 300 km/h nonstop).

In any case, a train arriving to Barcelona will not require a connection. There are more than one train every hour to Madrid, similar to Valencia and they just have to take a look if you want to go to Northern Spain or Andalucia (and you can go there with a connection in Madrid if you have no other alternative).

Should we have so many trains in the other corner... no need to have a full timetable for connecting trains. Good frequencies means nice for connections.
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When does the bit from Barcelona, and also the bit into Extremadura/Portuguese border, open?
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When does the bit from Barcelona, and also the bit into Extremadura/Portuguese border, open?
The Barcelona-Figueras connection should open by Spring 2013.

As for the Madrid to the Portuguese border (namely Badajoz), there is no date yet.
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Old August 29th, 2012, 12:34 AM   #574
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Figueres-Barcelona next year. From Barcelona there is high speed railway that can go until Madrid, Toledo (no direct service, there is only a shuttle from Madrid), Sevilla, Malaga and Valencia (but via Madrid so it doesn't worth).
There is no link still to Valladolid because line Madrid-Valladolid arrives to a different station in Madrid and connection is u/c
Anyway, in many stations there is an infrastructure to change the gauge and running 300 km/h while high speed line and 120-160 in normal lines.


No date for connection to Lisboa and Portuguese government decided to stop the project.
The international station would have a passengers terminal in the Spanish side (Badajoz is the main city in the area and city centre is only 4 km from border) and a freight terminal in the Portuguese side (about 15 km from border).

Anyway, with some works it could run a train until Madrid and later continuing on the old railway till Lisboa.
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If anything, such international collaborations should be cracked upon because they preclude international independent private train operators for even having a chance to apply to slots couple years in advance (so that they can buy trains).
And how do they do that, may I ask?
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Today there is a train until Geneve. Is there any connection to the other corner of Switzerland?. Not assured.
Oh, but the connecting to any other town, village, hamlet or mountain hut in Switzerland is no problem at all, as long as you don't arrive in Switzerland to late...
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Will the fast train link to Cadiz open this year?
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:42 PM   #578
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No, and no plans to arrive.

But, good news since last spring. Today you have four direct trains Madrid-Cadiz which run 250 until Sevilla and continue in the normal line later, as well as in other four trains it is sold as "connection", and AVE Madrid-Sevilla and just several minutes later a Sevilla-Cadiz, having assured that you will take the second train waiting for you or an alternative given by Renfe.

You can mix a return ticket with a direct train and a connection trains or viceversa, for return discount.

Connection trains take the same time that direct train. You loose some minutes at Sevilla but Madrid-Sevilla run 300 so it is faster.


So... eight trains, between connection and direct ones Madrid-Cadiz.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 05:34 AM   #579
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I took the train from Madrid to Malaga at the end of 2010 and the ride was great. Never got pictures because my camera got stolen in Barcelona the same evening (spent 6 hours in Malaga then flew to Barcelona). Getting tickets was easy and the train was on time. Great way to see the Spanish countryside.
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Barcelona-Malaga is 5h30m with nonstop at Madrid. There are two daily trains and while august there was one train on peak dates Barcelona-Sevilla (absolutely nonstop Barcelona-Cordoba) where possible to shuttle to Malaga.

The difference in Spain is the line and gauges. New lines (high speed ones) have international gauges and can run up to 300 km/h.
Old lines (a special gauge used in Spain and Portugal) can run up to 200 km/h but average speed will be about 100 more or less, depending areas.

In stations you will not find difference but there are plattforms for one and other gauge.
For instance, in Barcelona-Malaga you crossed my city, Zaragoza. In the station, plattforms 1 to 4 are UIC gauges and 5 to 8 are Spanish gauges. Only special trains can change one to other gauge with a gauge-interchanger there is besides the station.

In the case of Barcelona-Malaga you could run up to 300 in all journey.

In the case of Madrid-Cadiz it is not possible (it is possible in Madrid-Sevilla). There are trains prepared to change gauge and you have not to get off them to go on a different line, but they are limited to 200 or 250.

That is why high speed can be faster and better than plane in several journeys, but if you use part of old lines, you will save time but not as many as if journey is full high speed.
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