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Cristovão471 · August 9th, 2007, 03:40 PM

Well back in April I did this route, took 4 hours, but felt shorter, because it was so comfortable and the scenery was good. I went in preferent class (1st) Very nice. It's just so wierd to think that the time will practically be cut in half, the annoying part was when it was close to Barcelona, it had to go on suburban rail lines, and there was traffic etc.

^Anton^ · August 9th, 2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bitxofo

All young people (under 36y.o.) speak English in BCN or Madrid.

That's definitely not true... hehe, I want to encourage people to visit Spain as much as you do, but come on, who were you trying to fool...

Bitxofo · August 10th, 2007, 03:05 AM

All young people in Spain studied English at Elemental School, so they are able to speak English.

Dreamliner · August 10th, 2007, 04:46 AM

I was in Spain last April for 5 weeks. The only people I heard speak english were Americans, Canadians and the British.

Cristovão471 · August 10th, 2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bitxofo

All young people in Spain studied English at Elemental School, so they are able to speak English.

I studied Japanese in Primary school here, and I hardly speak it.

the very few times I heard english (in spain), was from tourists or some spaniards with strong accents.

Mattboy · August 10th, 2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bitxofo

All young people in Spain studied English at Elemental School, so they are able to speak English.

Sometimes I think you live in your own little bubble. Please stop saying that, everyone knows it's false, including yourself.

clkgtr · July 24th, 2008, 04:02 AM

Hi,guys
I have read some posts on this forum ,and know the Velaro E is now running at 300km/h in highspeed line. I just wonder if this train will speed up to 350km/h in near future.

By far no train is running at 350km/h commercially.Has Siemens or RENFE tested the reliability and durability of the train's equp,like bogies,motors etc. at 350km/h?
And the Velaro E takes 380s to accelerate from 0 to 320km/h.what about 0 to 350km/h,how long will it take?

Bitxofo · July 24th, 2008, 04:17 AM

Velaro (made by Siemens) is currently running at 302km/h on the high speed line from Barcelona to Madrid.

It will run at 350km/h in October or November, on the same line.

[IMG]http://i36.************/30280sg.jpg[/IMG]

Avientu · July 24th, 2008, 10:26 AM

It won't go faster until ERTMS level 2 is implemented. Although Renfe says it will be in autumn, the team developing the signaling system (people from Renfe, Adif and Siemens) say the don't have a definitve date yet.
Anyway, test trains running on the Madrid-Zaragoza-Barcelona have already reached 360 km/h.

elfabyanos · July 24th, 2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by clkgtr

Hi,guys
I have read some posts on this forum ,and know the Velaro E is now running at 300km/h in highspeed line. I just wonder if this train will speed up to 350km/h in near future.

By far no train is running at 350km/h commercially.Has Siemens or RENFE tested the reliability and durability of the train's equp,like bogies,motors etc. at 350km/h?
And the Velaro E takes 380s to accelerate from 0 to 320km/h.what about 0 to 350km/h,how long will it take?

The Velaro has been tested above 400km/h and its record it 408km/h. The bogies are fine for it, but I don't believe the design (for a stable maintenance regime) is ready for more than 330km/h in regular service, though I could be wrong. The main delay is the full implementation of the signalling system as Avientu said above.

arriaca · July 24th, 2008, 01:37 PM

I talked with Siemens engineers who did the tests of the train. They said that ADIF who was forbidden to increase that speed. The train can run more. Even in commercial service. But there are two problems: the signage and the flight of stone

clkgtr · July 24th, 2008, 04:12 PM

The stone on the track is quite a big problem .
So the new track building in our country is just like the picture below,which will make speed higher.

pic copyright to oyzw.

Skylandman · July 24th, 2008, 05:55 PM

Excuse my ignorance but, What´s exactly that "flight of stone" you guys talk about?

thanks in advance

BTW: clkgtr, no pic on display above, just a red cross.

elfabyanos · July 24th, 2008, 06:32 PM

air turbulance causing loose stones to be picked up and thrown at quite dangerous speeds. the new chinese lines don't use loose stone ballast so shouldn't have this problem - everything is solod concrete, which is more expensive in theory.

Skylandman · July 24th, 2008, 06:56 PM

ahh, i see. thanks.

arriaca · July 24th, 2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by elfabyanos

air turbulance causing loose stones to be picked up and thrown at quite dangerous speeds. the new chinese lines don't use loose stone ballast so shouldn't have this problem - everything is solod concrete, which is more expensive in theory.

The chinese use the japanese system for high speed, this system was designed in the 80´s

Dinivan · July 25th, 2008, 12:16 AM

Wouldn't the problem be solved with something as easy as covering the stones with a simple net?

clkgtr · July 25th, 2008, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by arriaca

The chinese use the japanese system for high speed, this system was designed in the 80´s

Mainly we use German technology,here're the pics,thanks to the photographer oyzw
These tracks are expensive when building ,but the maintenance cost is much lower .
image hosted on flickr

image hosted on flickr

gincan · July 25th, 2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dinivan

Wouldn't the problem be solved with something as easy as covering the stones with a simple net?

The japanese have already tried that and the outcome was that the cost of maintaining the infrastructure increase. Spain should have opted for the more expensive concrete trackbed, now they might not be able to run the trains att 350km/h only because of the flying stones.

arriaca · July 25th, 2008, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dinivan

Wouldn't the problem be solved with something as easy as covering the stones with a simple net?

The japanese use this in their oldest line, but this system is very expensive, a man must remove this net every two months.

Quote:

Originally Posted by clkgtr

Mainly we use German technology,here're the pics,thanks to the photographer oyzw
These tracks are expensive when building ,but the maintenance cost is much lower .
image hosted on flickr

image hosted on flickr

I don´t know very well the rails in China, I saw in another thread the japanese system in chinese rails.

In Spain, for the new tunnels and large bridges is used the Rheda 2000, and in some stations and the new tunnel under Madrid (large narrow, no UIC) the Edilon System

Very nice photos, thanks

July 24th, 2008, 04:02 AM	#47
clkgtr Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23 Likes (Received): 0	Will Spanish Velaro E speed up to 350km/h? Hi,guys I have read some posts on this forum ,and know the Velaro E is now running at 300km/h in highspeed line. I just wonder if this train will speed up to 350km/h in near future. By far no train is running at 350km/h commercially.Has Siemens or RENFE tested the reliability and durability of the train's equp,like bogies,motors etc. at 350km/h? And the Velaro E takes 380s to accelerate from 0 to 320km/h.what about 0 to 350km/h,how long will it take?

July 24th, 2008, 10:26 AM	#49
Avientu Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Eixample dret, Barcelona Posts: 270 Likes (Received): 0	It won't go faster until ERTMS level 2 is implemented. Although Renfe says it will be in autumn, the team developing the signaling system (people from Renfe, Adif and Siemens) say the don't have a definitve date yet. Anyway, test trains running on the Madrid-Zaragoza-Barcelona have already reached 360 km/h. __________________

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August 9th, 2007, 03:40 PM	#41
Cristovão471 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Melbourne Posts: 2,006 Likes (Received): 2	Well back in April I did this route, took 4 hours, but felt shorter, because it was so comfortable and the scenery was good. I went in preferent class (1st) Very nice. It's just so wierd to think that the time will practically be cut in half, the annoying part was when it was close to Barcelona, it had to go on suburban rail lines, and there was traffic etc.

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Bitxofo BANNED Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Alderaan BCN BKK ATH PAR LON SYD SFO CPT TYO SCL CHC BUE SCG SVQ AGP BDN Posts: 34,122 Likes (Received): 0	All young people in Spain studied English at Elemental School, so they are able to speak English.

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Dreamliner BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NEW YORK CITY - BARCELONA Posts: 336 Likes (Received): 0	I was in Spain last April for 5 weeks. The only people I heard speak english were Americans, Canadians and the British.

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Bitxofo BANNED Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Alderaan BCN BKK ATH PAR LON SYD SFO CPT TYO SCL CHC BUE SCG SVQ AGP BDN Posts: 34,122 Likes (Received): 0	Velaro (made by Siemens) is currently running at 302km/h on the high speed line from Barcelona to Madrid. It will run at 350km/h in October or November, on the same line. [IMG]http://i36.************/30280sg.jpg[/IMG]

July 24th, 2008, 04:12 PM	#52
clkgtr Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23 Likes (Received): 0	The stone on the track is quite a big problem . So the new track building in our country is just like the picture below,which will make speed higher. pic copyright to oyzw.

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Skylandman BANNED Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: coming closer Posts: 879 Likes (Received): 0	Excuse my ignorance but, What´s exactly that "flight of stone" you guys talk about? thanks in advance BTW: clkgtr, no pic on display above, just a red cross.

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elfabyanos Dracuna Macoides Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Brighton Posts: 1,826 Likes (Received): 0	air turbulance causing loose stones to be picked up and thrown at quite dangerous speeds. the new chinese lines don't use loose stone ballast so shouldn't have this problem - everything is solod concrete, which is more expensive in theory.

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Skylandman BANNED Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: coming closer Posts: 879 Likes (Received): 0	ahh, i see. thanks.

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