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Old October 6th, 2005, 10:29 AM   #41
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Pretty much, most trains in western Europe kick the crap out of Amtrak.
Uhh guys, Amtrak already has these trainsets, save the engine. They run in the Cascades Corridor between Vancouver, BC, Canada and Eugene, OR, USA.






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Old October 6th, 2005, 08:20 PM   #42
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Yes!
But their average speed in the USA is 100km/h or less...
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Old October 6th, 2005, 08:23 PM   #43
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Uhh guys, Amtrak already has these trainsets, save the engine. They run in the Cascades Corridor between Vancouver, BC, Canada and Eugene, OR, USA.





Wrong!

These are not high speed trains at all. They are made by Talgo, but they are not high speed trains (look at how huge the engine is, that could not support a high speed along the lines of 200 mph).

And what the US calls highspeed, is actually slow as sin.

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Old October 7th, 2005, 12:06 AM   #44
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Thanks for all the info guys. Hope I can go on it sometime soon!
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Old October 7th, 2005, 08:26 AM   #45
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Wrong!

These are not high speed trains at all. They are made by Talgo, but they are not high speed trains (look at how huge the engine is, that could not support a high speed along the lines of 200 mph).

And what the US calls highspeed, is actually slow as sin.

I never said they were highspeed. I said they had the trainsets minus the engine. They have the same tilting mechanism as the trains in other countries do and once the track is upgraded in the corridor they will be going upwards of 100mph.
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Old October 7th, 2005, 09:29 AM   #46
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well Talgo have manufactured several trains in partnership with Bombardier in Canada, so Talgo type trains have many decades running in North America.
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Old October 7th, 2005, 07:26 PM   #47
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Just wondering, why are there two new types (Talgo/ICE) of high speed train being constructed for Spain?
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Old October 7th, 2005, 07:38 PM   #48
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wow, very nice!!!
I really like the interior.
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Old October 7th, 2005, 07:41 PM   #49
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fantastic train, very comfortable!!
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Old October 7th, 2005, 08:39 PM   #50
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Just wondering, why are there two new types (Talgo/ICE) of high speed train being constructed for Spain?
Actually, in Spain we have got 4 different types of high speed trains...


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Old October 8th, 2005, 12:01 AM   #51
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Just wondering, why are there two new types (Talgo/ICE) of high speed train being constructed for Spain?
They're being built to run on these high speed rail lines:



Red lines: Exclusively for passengers' trains. Speed: 300-350 km/h
Dashed red lines: Same as the above ones, but dependent on Andalucía's Regional Government.
Blue lines: Freight & passenger's trains. Speed: at least 250 km/h
Dashed yellow lines: Possibly added lines
Grey lines: Normal lines

At the moment, they are in service the following lines:
Madrid-Sevilla
Madrid-Lleida
Madrid-Huesca

Next Openings:
Madrid-Toledo (December 2005)
Madrid-Tarragona (January 2006)
Madrid-Málaga(2007)
Madrid-Valladolid(2007)

All lines must be put into service by 2020

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Old October 8th, 2005, 01:04 AM   #52
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They're being built to run on these high speed rail lines:

<snip>

At the moment, they are in service the following lines:
Madrid-Sevilla
Madrid-Lleida
Madrid-Huesca

Next Openings:
Madrid-Toledo (December 2005)
Madrid-Tarragona (January 2006)
Madrid-Málaga(2007)
Madrid-Valladolid(2007)

All lines must be put into service by 2020

Thanks for the map, it is very helpful.

Maybe my question wasn't clear enough though: Renfe already operates a fleet of TGV - derived AVE trains. Why now is it purchasing both ICE and Talgo/Bombardier trains, which seem to be of very similar broad specification? It seems like a similar situation to an airline deciding to order both Boeing 737s and Airbus 320s at the same time. Would it not have been more economical to order a single larger fleet of Talgo or ICE trains?

Will all fleets work the same routes, or will each fleet have it's own niche (e.g. one fleet to work medium-haul and the other long-haul etc).

Cheers,

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Old October 8th, 2005, 01:30 AM   #53
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Renfe decided to buy 16 Talgo trains and 16 ICE trains for the new Madrid-Barcelona-French border high speed railway line. Talgo trains, when the line's finished, will stop in every station of the line, and ICE trains will make non-stop connections between Madrid and Barcelona.
However all the line has got a big delay, it was due to entirely open in 2004, however it opened in October 2003 and only till Lleida with top speeds of 200 kph and with no high speed trains in service.
Talgo trains were delivered along this year and no ICE trains have been delivered yet...however its put into service is imminent. The line's speed will be upgraded to 250 kph in November, and to its top speed (350 kph) presumably in summer 2006.
I'm not quite sure why they decided to buy 50%-50%, but this was a total disaster and they shouldn't repeat it
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Old October 8th, 2005, 01:37 AM   #54
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Nice, I salute spain for its developments.
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Old October 8th, 2005, 01:41 AM   #55
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Great, Spain is really forging ahead.
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Old October 8th, 2005, 06:15 AM   #56
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thanks DADVD for the map and the info
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Old October 8th, 2005, 01:07 PM   #57
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The duck train it´s damn ugly!!!
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Old October 8th, 2005, 06:44 PM   #58
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@ jesarm: ¡De nada!
@ Dans: In my opinion it's so nice
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Old October 8th, 2005, 08:33 PM   #59
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The duck train it´s damn ugly!!!
That's just your opinion...
It can be ugly for you, but nowadays is the 2nd fastest train in the world.
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Photo of the TALGO "duck" with new RENFE colours:

http://www.fomento.es/NR/rdonlyres/5...59/0510073.jpg

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