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Old October 9th, 2005, 01:09 AM   #61
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Renfe decided to buy 16 Talgo trains and 16 ICE trains for the new Madrid-Barcelona-French border high speed railway line. Talgo trains, when the line's finished, will stop in every station of the line, and ICE trains will make non-stop connections between Madrid and Barcelona.
However all the line has got a big delay, it was due to entirely open in 2004, however it opened in October 2003 and only till Lleida with top speeds of 200 kph and with no high speed trains in service.
Talgo trains were delivered along this year and no ICE trains have been delivered yet...however its put into service is imminent. The line's speed will be upgraded to 250 kph in November, and to its top speed (350 kph) presumably in summer 2006.
I'm not quite sure why they decided to buy 50%-50%, but this was a total disaster and they shouldn't repeat it

Thanks for the explanation. Hopefully I'll get to ride these trains one day!
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Old October 10th, 2005, 10:33 PM   #62
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@ jesarm: ¡De nada!
@ Dans: In my opinion it's so nice
another pick:
Both Spanish High Speed trains in the same photo!

The Alstom AVE of 1992 and the Talgo AVE of 2005.
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Old February 4th, 2006, 05:18 PM   #63
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Wow I don't knew that "duck" is the 2nd fastest high-speed train in the world!!
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Old February 5th, 2006, 09:59 AM   #64
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Nice! I took the spanish/french train "Elipsos" from Milano to Barcelona. It was such a nice trip...and a cool train too!
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Old February 5th, 2006, 11:24 AM   #65
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@ jesarm: ¡De nada!
@ Dans: In my opinion it's so nice
another pick:
That train is somelike Japanese Shinkansen (Bullet Train) 700 Series.
However, Shinkansen is more Stream-lined

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Old February 5th, 2006, 04:51 PM   #66
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Duck is not that fast!

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Wow I don't knew that "duck" is the 2nd fastest high-speed train in the world!!
I think this is not correct.

The fastest commerical high speed train in the world is the maglev Shanghai (Transrapid).


more Pics here Maglev in China ( www.maglev.in )

- The second are Japanese shinkansen and French TGV (that changes every half year)

- The third are the German ICE in Germany and the Korean TGV.

- Then comes Spain with its new highspeed network and the "duck".

- Then comes US with its Acela....
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Old February 5th, 2006, 05:08 PM   #67
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I think this is not correct.

The fastest commerical high speed train in the world is the maglev Shanghai (Transrapid).


more Pics here Maglev in China ( www.maglev.in )

- The second are Japanese shinkansen and French TGV (that changes every half year)

- The third are the German ICE in Germany and the Korean TGV.

- Then comes Spain with its new highspeed network and the "duck".

- Then comes US with its Acela....


as far as i know none of the above trains, except the maglev, can have an average comercial speed of 350km/h as the Talgo does...so in fact it´s the the fastest long-distance commercial train, and the second fastest train in the world.
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Old February 5th, 2006, 05:13 PM   #68
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Technically transrapid isn't considered a 'train' because it does not use train technology.
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Old February 5th, 2006, 05:32 PM   #69
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I've been on the AVE train, but not the "Duck" locomotive. I went from Cordoba-Sevilla and back, and from Cordoba-Madrid and back. Was very comfortable. I traveled for 3 weeks by train throughout Spain, and was very impressed with the quality of the trains!
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Old February 5th, 2006, 06:30 PM   #70
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- The second are Japanese shinkansen and French TGV (that changes every half year)

- The third are the German ICE in Germany and the Korean TGV.

- Then comes Spain with its new highspeed network and the "duck".

- Then comes US with its Acela....

The fastest shinkansen (series 500) have a maximum comercial speed of 300km/h.

The fastest TGV's have a maximum comercial speed of 300km/h (I'm not sure, but I think that some have a max speed of 320km/h, although the max speed at which they run actually is 300km/h)

The pato's maximum comercial speed is 330km/h, so it's faster than any TGV of shinkansen.
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Old February 5th, 2006, 06:38 PM   #71
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Yesterday I travelled in the "duck" between Lleida and Zaragoza and I don't like any think of the train. It's very luxurious (and expensive) and when runs at 200 km/h the train vibrate a lot. When the train runs at 300 km/h at any time who don't know everybody...
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Old February 5th, 2006, 09:06 PM   #72
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Have you check the other cars for this vibration ? Have this issue mentioned by someone else in the past? Too bad if this is true. IMO luxury is an advantage.
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Old February 6th, 2006, 05:48 AM   #73
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I took the duck at 300kph and it did NOT vibrate!

Its top speed can be 350kph.
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Old February 6th, 2006, 05:58 PM   #74
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Have you check the other cars for this vibration ?
The other tourists cars of the train also vibrates.

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IMO luxury is an advantage.
NO The luxury go out the people from the train. The fares are extremely expensive. The people don't pay it and must take the bus.
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Old February 6th, 2006, 05:58 PM   #75
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I took the duck at 300kph and it did NOT vibrate!

Its top speed can be 350kph.
The duck in commercial service NOW only runs up to 200 km/h.
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Old February 6th, 2006, 11:48 PM   #76
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The duck in commercial service NOW only runs up to 200 km/h.
That's average speed, not top speed!
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Yes, but you said that you travel in at 300 km/h at missage 58. That is not true, the 102 serial train runs up to 200 km/h.
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Old February 7th, 2006, 09:16 PM   #78
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My photos of the 102 "high speed" (?) train "Pato":

Train nº 9874 Lleida-Madrid last saturday in Lleida, platform 1. In this station, the AVE services will depart from platform 1, the "Altaria" services (Talgo trains by the HSL line Barcelona-Madrid-Cádiz) on platforms 2 and 3, the rest of the long distance services on platform 4, and regional trains, Catalunya Exprés trains and FGC trains on platforms 5 and 6.


Inside the train, in 8th carriage of the train, in tourist class.


Me in 12th carriage of the train. This carriage was totally empty.


View of the preferent class carriage. Normally the door access are closed, when I got off the train in Zaragoza the door was open. In this just moment I took the photo.
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Old February 8th, 2006, 11:51 AM   #79
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Great interior , looks indeed luxurious and comfortable (dont blaim luxury for expensive fares) . The seats looks quite big, does someone know the seat pitch and the seat width?
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Old February 12th, 2006, 09:20 AM   #80
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Normally the door access are closed
Why? They don't want poor people getting envious? LOL
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