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Old January 8th, 2013, 01:50 AM   #801
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Old January 8th, 2013, 02:10 AM   #802
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Cool. The line looks great, can't wait to ride it
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Old January 8th, 2013, 07:11 AM   #803
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I'm quite disappointed it doesn't use ballastless tracks
That's probably going to make quite a few people happy here...
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Old January 8th, 2013, 03:58 PM   #804
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I'm quite disappointed it doesn't use ballastless tracks
On this railway it would not make any difference in speed. Barcelona-Figueras is a semi HSR with most of the route built for speeds below 250 km/h, the few stretches of railway that can support speeds above 250 km/h are so short that the effect is marginal. Ballastless or not and regardless of which train is used, 45 min between Sants and Figueras (130km) will be the best travel time you will ever see on this route and only the trains that don't call in Girona. Maybe far into the future some super train yet to be seen will be able to do Sagrera-Figueras in 35-40 minutes.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 04:09 PM   #805
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I heard in the news that the new stretch allows speeds up to 310Km/h
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Old January 8th, 2013, 04:15 PM   #806
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What will happen once the French side is ready. Will the TGV ride into Spain?

Amazing that it too them so long to complete this. What's new.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 04:32 PM   #807
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Looking at the video of the Barcelona - Figueres line I notice that there are several passing loops with basic platforms along the line. Looking at Google maps I notice one is quite close to the airport of Girona.
Could it be possible to upgrade those sites to proper stations, and have a kind of high speed commuter service on them?
This could serve Girona airport, and new development along the line. If RENFE or ADIF get involved in those developments they could even pay back some of the construction cost of the line.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 05:32 PM   #808
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What will happen once the French side is ready. Will the TGV ride into Spain?
Of course they will, and the AVE will ride into France too.
Thatīll happen in April.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 05:34 PM   #809
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Looking at the video of the Barcelona - Figueres line I notice that there are several passing loops with basic platforms along the line. Looking at Google maps I notice one is quite close to the airport of Girona.
Could it be possible to upgrade those sites to proper stations, and have a kind of high speed commuter service on them?
This could serve Girona airport, and new development along the line. If RENFE or ADIF get involved in those developments they could even pay back some of the construction cost of the line.
Itīs not likely in the short term, as Barcelona airport has been considerably expanded, so theyīll focus into bringing it to maximum traffic.
Once that is achieved, Girona airport and its possible rail connections would be discussed.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 07:10 PM   #810
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Girona has a lot of low-cost traffic, doesn't it? With a good rail connection, it could become a hit, not only for Barcelona area but Zaragoza as well.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 07:17 PM   #811
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Is 6.5 hours from Paris Lyon to Barcelona Sants competitive with flying?
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Old January 8th, 2013, 07:19 PM   #812
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Is 6.5 hours from Paris Lyon to Barcelona Sants competitive with flying?
It takes at least 2h more than flying (accounting already for things like security lines, minimum idle time on gate, luggage reclaim etc.)
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Old January 8th, 2013, 07:23 PM   #813
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http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/p...-figueres.html

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High speed line opens between Barcelona and Figueres

08 January 2013

SPAIN: The Prince of Asturias joined Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, President of the Catalunya regional government Artur Mas and Development Minister Ana Pastor on January 8 to officially open the completed high speed line between Barcelona Sants and Figueres Vilafant. Revenue services were due to start the following day.

RENFE has timetabled nine trains a day each way between Figueres and Barcelona, eight of which continue to and from Madrid. There are two connections a day at Figueres with SNCF services to and from Paris, enabling a passenger to leave Paris Lyon at 07.15 to arrive at Barcelona Sants at 13.48 and Madrid Atocha at 17.10. Through high speed services between the Spanish and French networks are expected to start in April 2013.

As well as catering for long-distance journeys, seats on the Class 103 trainsets will be made available for local journeys between Barcelona, Girona and Figueres, branded as Avant services and offering discounts for regular travellers by means of new multi-journey fares. RENFE says that the Barcelona – Figueres corridor is one of the busiest on the Spanish rail network, currently used by 2⋅5 million passengers a year, and it is hoped that the new high speed services will grow this figure by 40% or 1 million passengers a year.
I can't seem to find this booking as a possibility on neither the SNCF nor the RENFE website.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 08:07 PM   #814
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Is 6.5 hours from Paris Lyon to Barcelona Sants competitive with flying?
Not yet, but much more than it used to.
At least, it can be likened to the travel times of TGV services like Paris-Tarbes or Paris-Menton/Ventimiglia. Thatīs something.
And it wonīt be that different from travel times like Barcelona-Seville or Barcelona-Malaga.
Think about all those who are afraid of flying.

The next improvement will be in April, with the start of direct missions Barcelona-Paris and Barcelona-Geneva, which will cut travel time by some 15/20 extra minutes. I canīt tell if any of them will be reaching Madrid or not.

You have to keep in mind that the French have not finished their part of the line either.
The Nîmes to Montpellier HSL should be ready by 2017, if there are no delays.
That will mean to slash travel times by 30 extra minutes.

Then the service will be expanded to Toulouse, Marseilles, Lyons (summer 2013, it seems, by which time some of these services should reach Madrid too), and some time later possibly Nice, Bordeaux, Lille and/or Brussels too.

And later, the missing link of the HSL, Montpellier to Perpignan, by 2020 or later.
This last sector of the HSL would mean to have Barcelona-Paris in some 4h30min, which is the targeted final travel time.

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Old January 8th, 2013, 08:19 PM   #815
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Girona has a lot of low-cost traffic, doesn't it? With a good rail connection, it could become a hit, not only for Barcelona area but Zaragoza as well.
Be sure that for both of them.
In Barcelona you will find a lot of low-cost flights too but maybe destinations or day of flight... some buses to airport still remain.

From Zaragoza, even with distance, there are someone who go there and take a flight.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 10:17 PM   #816
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I'm quite disappointed it doesn't use ballastless tracks
Appearantly there is no need for ballastless tracks on this stretch of track. It might have got to do with the soil the line is built upon.

The European Union published a news item about the opening of the Figueres - Barcelona HSR. Quote from the end of the article:

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Thanks to the continuing efforts devoted, the full Mediterranean arc from Valencia to Lyon is expected to be operational in 2020. By that time a journey time from Barcelona will be at only 4h30' from Paris (instead of 8h) and 2h40' from Lyon.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 10:30 PM   #817
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Is 6.5 hours from Paris Lyon to Barcelona Sants competitive with flying?
In pure time no, it would have to be 4.5 h or less for that. There will still be a market - some people avoid flying if at all possible, train tickets at the last minute are usually cheaper than plain tickets, weight and type of baggage is not restricted etc.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 10:32 PM   #818
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In pure time no, it would have to be 4.5 h or less for that.
In a few more years (7 to be precise), it will be 4.5 hrs for Paris - Barcelona
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Old January 8th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #819
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train tickets at the last minute are usually cheaper than plain tickets
My recent experience with SNCF suggests this isn't the case.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 11:07 PM   #820
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Do people on here think the expansion of the Spanish high speed network will eventually lead to gauge conversion of some of the traditional lines?
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