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Old January 24th, 2013, 10:41 AM   #881
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Will they deploy X-ray machines on Figueres station?
I hope they won't, but fear they will.

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Does someone has a list of stations of HSR service in Spain whose platforms (used for high-speed trains) are sealed, gated or isolated by a check-in control, meaning you cannot go linger there unless you have a ticket?
You're planning an attack?
(just kidding, but don't you think that this is exactly what a would be terrorist would do: Make a list of all stations that are gated, and then choose one that isn't as a target...)
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Old January 24th, 2013, 10:43 AM   #882
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don't you think that this is exactly what a would be terrorist would do: Make a list of all stations that are gated, and then choose one that isn't as a target...)
Solution: gate all stations where HSTs call

Once they said it woudl be "impossible" to have full x-ray systems on every single airport, today even airfield-with-a-tent serving Ryanair has a security and scanning system in place.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 10:48 AM   #883
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Still inappropriate. Spaniards have experience with terrorists on trains, and still they do not guard all stations.

Besides, the nearest Schengen borders to Spain are... where? La Linea, presumably.

It is said that not all, but some Eurostars have the capability to handle the French 1500 V electricity. And that signalling stops them from passing Brussels.

Are Eurostars technically capable of operating into Spanish railways? If yes, which AVE stations are suitable for entering Ukogbani borders?
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Old January 24th, 2013, 10:56 AM   #884
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That kind of security is a farce anyway. Real security is a myth. With the French involved in a war there might be more reasons for the French to shore up their security on their side.

On a related note, I watched a feature in the news yesterday on some researcher from Newcastle university who is doing research to safer train where the glass windows stay in one pirce. He was using the Madrid bombings as a case study.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 11:26 AM   #885
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Besides, the nearest Schengen borders to Spain are... where? La Linea, presumably.
Yes,

Non-EU nearest border is at La Seu d'Urgell and Sant Julia de Loria.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 12:11 PM   #886
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Solution: gate all stations where HSTs call
Last time I was in Barcelona Sants I arrived there on a night train that had stopped at a whole slew of small stations, and alighted just oposite a waiting HST. I could just have boarded that without passing a checkpoint...
If I can spot such opportunities in a few minutes, do you really thing that terrorists won't?
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Once they said it woudl be "impossible" to have full x-ray systems on every single airport, today even airfield-with-a-tent serving Ryanair has a security and scanning system in place.
And any expert will say that they are of very limited use...

This is what you need to know about terrorism:
- Anything that only forces terrorists to change targets and/or tactics is useless. Anything targeted at what they did last time is useless. Do you really think that terrorists will try the same thing they did last time? If a terrorist wants to cause a carnage, all he has to do is now join the long queues at the security checkpoints machines and blow himself up before he gets there.
- The main reason why we are not being blown to bits every day is that terrorism in the West is largely an imaginary threat. There are just not that many terrorist, and most are already on the radar of the intelligence and police services.

The "liquid" bombes were not stopped at a security checkpoint. Their plot was discovered through old fashioned police work. The confiscation of liquids at airports is in response to a threat that never existed, and is completely ineffective. All it does is inconvenience passengers.

What we need is:
a) good intelligence and police work.
b) good emergency response systems.

As a bonus these help against a far wider range of threats than angering passengers does.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 12:22 PM   #887
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In April 2004 the HSL Madrid-Seville was cut because a bomb. Bomb wasn't in the train but near the rails.

How can security act there?. Are scanners useful?
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Old January 24th, 2013, 04:45 PM   #888
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I hope they won't, but fear they will.
They have X-ray machines at Figueres-Vilafant station.
X-ray machines are becoming just as typicar of Spanish rail, as double-decker red buses of London.

But I believe that they´re used only for the AVE, not for the TGV.
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It is said that not all, but some Eurostars have the capability to handle the French 1500 V electricity. And that signalling stops them from passing Brussels.

Are Eurostars technically capable of operating into Spanish railways?
IIRC, Eurostars don´t have the ERTMS, so they can´t go any further than Figueres-Vilafant, unless they were equipped with the ERTMS.
If they were, they could run from Edinburgh to Malaga.

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If yes, which AVE stations are suitable for entering Ukogbani borders?
They all are. There are controls before entering the high-speed platforms of a HSR station.
Only one exception: Tardienta station, on the Saragossa-Huesca HSL, but that station is used a bit by accident, and it´s likely that soon AVEs won´t be stopping there anymore, so that would mean that all Spanish stations are Eurostar-able.

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Old January 24th, 2013, 10:46 PM   #890
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Yes,

Non-EU nearest border is at La Seu d'Urgell and Sant Julia de Loria.
And Morocco in Ceuta and Melilla.

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In April 2004 the HSL Madrid-Seville was cut because a bomb. Bomb wasn't in the train but near the rails.

How can security act there?. Are scanners useful?
The security system worked as it detected the bomb before any train got closer....
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Old January 26th, 2013, 12:03 PM   #891
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Applying that logics there is no science but physics. And even in physics many calculations are based on empirical evidence...

Besides what is economics. Is it Marketing (probably not a science), Macroeconomics, Microeconomic, Finance (e.g derivatives pricing based on formula's from physics), Accounting (not a science), Econometrics etc.
All the sciences are physical, be it chemistry, biology, anthropology, whatever, because what they study are physical phenomenon (space, molecules, life). All science is 'based' upon empirical evidence, I have no idea what confusion of concepts could result in a suggestion otherwise. There are a great many people who misapprehend science, as evidenced by this discussion.
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Old January 26th, 2013, 02:42 PM   #892
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And Morocco in Ceuta and Melilla.
Yes, but Spain is not connected to Ceuta by railway.
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Yes, but Spain is not connected to Ceuta by railway.
Ceuta is Spain...

Anyway there is a never ending project to connect Europe and Africa with a tunnel/bridge.... it wouldn't be so long but it's a sismic area....
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Ceuta is Spain...

Anyway there is a never ending project to connect Europe and Africa with a tunnel/bridge.... it wouldn't be so long but it's a sismic area....
It would be a tunnel and not connecting to Ceuta but with Morocco.
Anyway there's a thread where some forumers explained why it doesn't worth.
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Old January 26th, 2013, 05:35 PM   #895
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It would be a tunnel and not connecting to Ceuta but with Morocco.
Anyway there's a thread where some forumers explained why it doesn't worth.
It's unknown if it would be a tunnel or a bridge as there are both kind of proposals.

And we were talking about borders anyway... somebody asked here which were the non-schengen Spanish borders... it's curious that nobody complained about Andorra or Gibraltar (because they don't have a railway connection with Spain) when both places don't even have a single km of railway....
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Old January 26th, 2013, 05:51 PM   #896
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If you cross a country you can move within it without controls. And you can change from railway to bus or to other types of transport.

If you enter Spain by railway, the question about which is the nearest non-Schengen border, the answer will be Gibraltar, and about the non-EU border it will be Andorra.

If we are asking about railway borders only... the answer willl be.... CALAIS!!!!!!
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Old January 26th, 2013, 06:00 PM   #897
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If you cross a country you can move within it without controls. And you can change from railway to bus or to other types of transport.

If you enter Spain by railway, the question about which is the nearest non-Schengen border, the answer will be Gibraltar, and about the non-EU border it will be Andorra.

If we are asking about railway borders only... the answer willl be.... CALAIS!!!!!!
You can take a Ferry to Morocco from Algeciras... the train station and the port are only like 500 meters away... and yes... that port is a non-schengen border. Even Ceuta and Melilla are not fully Schengen...
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ok, back to topic
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Old January 29th, 2013, 07:05 AM   #899
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:33 PM   #900
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This week in Spain the first match of football cup semifinals will be played. Matches are At.Madrid-Sevilla and R.Madrid-FC Barcelona. (thursday 22:00 and wednesday 21:00).

Renfe has prepared two special trains Madrid-Sevilla for thursday and Madrid-Barcelona for wednesday. If some supporter want to travel, he can return in that special train.

It is expected to finish at 23:00 match on wednesday and train will depart at 00:15 arriving to Barcelona at 02:45
For thursday, match will finish about 00:00, will depart at 01:15 and will arrive to Seville at 03:45
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