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Old January 30th, 2013, 01:10 AM   #901
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AVE through Calatayud station:

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Old January 30th, 2013, 01:34 AM   #902
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Direction Madrid. Back in the camera it will be the main station building

The station has 2+1 Spanish gauge and 2+2 International gauge tracks

Spanish gauge tracks have two platforms plus one more ending in Calatayud and looking to Zaragoza only.

International gauge tracks have two ones with platforms and two more in the middle, separated from platforms so trains can run 300 km/h without danger to passengers in the platform.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 12:22 PM   #903
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Hello,

is there any new information about the upcoming France-Spain TGV and AVE? Is April still the day for direct Paris-Barcelona TGV? Is the TGV already on test runs in Spain and the old AVE on tests in France?

Any new information about possible connections? Or is it still only 1 TGV Geveve-Barcelona and three from Paris to Barcelona?

Do the TGV have ETCS to run through to Madrid, or is Barcelona the scheduled termination of TGV?
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 05:50 PM   #904
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is there any new information about the upcoming France-Spain TGV and AVE?
Not yet.

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Is April still the day for direct Paris-Barcelona TGV?
This is the info we have, but it´s the only info we have.

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Is the TGV already on test runs in Spain and the old AVE on tests in France?
The Spanish AVE is already in tests in France, in Burgundy and in Valenciennes in Northern France. If you travel there, perhaps you´ll spot it.
By the way, the test schedule has already been changed. The AVE wasn´t supposed to reach Valenciennes during the tests in the beginning.

No French TGV has entered Spain further than Figueres-Vilafant station, although I seem to remember that months ago one TGV did some kind of test between Figueres-Vilafant and Girona, before the HSL between Figueres and Girona opened. But I´m not sure wether that was a homologation test for the TGV, or a test of the new HSL.

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Any new information about possible connections? Or is it still only 1 TGV Geveve-Barcelona and three from Paris to Barcelona?
That´s what we know for now.

As I said on another post, in the future there will be more TGVs to Lyon, Lille and Bordeaux. Strasbourg, Nice and Brussels are reachable too.
Maybe later London too (at least Eurostar said something about that on their web).

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TGV have ETCS to run through to Madrid, or is Barcelona the scheduled termination of TGV?
I suspect that to start with, the TGVs will only reach Barcelona, while the AVEs will reach Madrid from Marseilles and Toulouse.

BUT... that´s all we know. Anything could change.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 10:49 PM   #905
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Cab ride on an AVE between Barcelona Sants and Figueres Vilafant.
Calling at Girona. At the arrival at Figueres Vilafant we can see a TGV Duplex, waiting to depart for Paris.

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Old February 5th, 2013, 05:40 AM   #906
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Today a French TGV could start its tests between 11am and 6pm between Figueres and Barcelona.

Info yet to be confirmed 100%.
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Cab ride on an AVE between Barcelona Sants and Figueres Vilafant.
Calling at Girona. At the arrival at Figueres Vilafant we can see a TGV Duplex, waiting to depart for Paris.
I changed trains there in september. I didn't notice the platforms were that long. How long are they?
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I changed trains there in september. I didn't notice the platforms were that long. How long are they?
Dunno, like 600m?
They´re supposed to host at least two AVE/TGV (8-car).
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Old February 5th, 2013, 09:46 PM   #909
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An 8 car TGV is 200 meters long. 8 car AVE trains should be about the same.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 08:12 AM   #910
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No. it. is. not.

Science produces testable and falsifiable hypotheses. Economics does not. It is a more akin to philosophy.

There is not one single formula in all of Economics that does not rely on underived assumptions.

The economy doesn't actually exist, so science cannot EVER describe it.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 08:21 AM   #911
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I agree with you to a large extent.

Wasn't it perhaps a political decision with Felipe Gonzalez from Andalucia at the helm?

Andalucia is very populated as you say but it's very large ands nowhere near the density of Catalonia. Connecting to Barcelona alone allows millions of people access to the network.

This is my main gripe since in terms of exports, the harbors and industrial output of the Mediterranean basin this line has so much potential. In any other country this would have been one of the first lines to be built is my opinion.

This is what Germa Bel (that pseudo scientist reasons is the root of the radial thinking (and not economic thinking) in Spain. For being a pseudo scientist it's remarkable that he gets published in some of the most important economic Journals in the word.
I don't understand why Barcelona is STILL not yet connected with Valencia via HSR!!
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Old February 6th, 2013, 08:26 AM   #912
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I don't understand why Barcelona is STILL not yet connected with Valencia via HSR!!
Indeed it's connected: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromed_(train) it's an upgraded line so it's not 300+Km/h and it uses Iberian gauge but it's considered High Speed.
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It is not absolutely connected as far as there is a stretch with high speed limits.

Service Barcelona-Valencia is good... but not fast. Anyway, an importan numer of people think in train for Barcelona - Valencia despite it is not high speed train.

I think it is the classical line with no HSL works and more traffic.
The second one will be Pedrola-Castejon de Ebro where several trains from Barcelona and Madrid to different destinations joins there.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 11:18 AM   #914
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Indeed it's connected: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromed_(train) it's an upgraded line so it's not 300+Km/h and it uses Iberian gauge but it's considered High Speed.
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It is not absolutely connected as far as there is a stretch with high speed limits.

Service Barcelona-Valencia is good... but not fast. Anyway, an importan numer of people think in train for Barcelona - Valencia despite it is not high speed train.

I think it is the classical line with no HSL works and more traffic.
The second one will be Pedrola-Castejon de Ebro where several trains from Barcelona and Madrid to different destinations joins there.
What is exactly the speed limit?
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I think 80 km/h near Salou but not sure.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 05:02 PM   #916
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I think 80 km/h near Salou but not sure.
160 between Tarragona and Vandellos. 220 between Vandellos and Castellon.
160 between Castellon and Valencia.
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and crossing Cambrils and Miami Pl????????
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Thanks for the explications!
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Old February 7th, 2013, 05:39 PM   #919
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I changed trains there in september. I didn't notice the platforms were that long. How long are they?
The one on the left in the video is 662 meters long (100 meters covered) and 10 meters wide according to ADIF. The other one is 660 meters long.

http://www.adif.es/gl_ES/comunicacio...ad_00050.shtml

It is enough to fit one double composition and one single of any UIC standard model, you can see in the video that the switches are placed so that one single composition (200 meters) can occupie the southern part of the platform while another train (up to 400 meters long) can access the same platform from both directions. This is so that Madrid/Barcelona-Figueras trains can turn around without occuping the entire platform when future foreign through trains call at Figueras.

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