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Old February 8th, 2013, 03:41 AM   #921
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Old February 8th, 2013, 05:04 AM   #922
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Works evolution in Sant Andreu HSR station


























Bcn Sants -> Bcn Sagrera-Sant Andreu HSR tunnel






Pictures from www.la-clau.net & www.barcelonasagrera.com

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Pajares HSR tunnel
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Old February 8th, 2013, 05:35 PM   #924
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Sorry timo9, your message needs a few corrections.

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Works evolution in Sant Andreu HSR station
These first 11 pictures are not Sant Andreu HSR station.
These are 11 pictures from the works at Sagrera station, which will include HSR and commuter trains (and 3 underground metro lines):

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This pic shows how the new Sagrera station should look like from the outside:

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These are 11 pictures of the works at the new Sant Andreu Comtal commuter train station (you can see the current one too, on the right). The HSL crosses this station, but TGV/AVE trains won´t stop here:

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This picture shows the TBM from the Sants-Sagrera tunnel during the owrks (the tunnel is now in use), this tunnel does not reach Sant Andreu Comtal station:

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Bcn Sants -> Bcn Sagrera-Sant Andreu HSR tunnel
This youtube shows a commuter train passing through Sagrera station, on the provisional tracks. The HSL appear at 00:36.

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Commuter and regional trains through Sagrera station. You can see class Civia 463 and 465, class 451, class 447, and a regional class 449 train:

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Old February 8th, 2013, 07:12 PM   #925
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On the first day with the new fare system (with some yield management, and ticket prices between 11% and 70% lower than they were), looks like ticket sales have increased by at least 50% already (but better wait for official confirmation).

The only thing we regret is that it has taken Renfe so long to implement these fares.

Overall, GREAT news if confirmed.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 07:25 PM   #926
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As a small detail... AVE Madrid-Huesca usually arrives full to Zaragoza station and keeps on almost empty.

Now you can buy tickets for that train really cheaper than by bus almost every day.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 06:07 PM   #927
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On the first day with the new fare system (with some yield management, and ticket prices between 11% and 70% lower than they were), looks like ticket sales have increased by at least 50% already (but better wait for official confirmation).

The only thing we regret is that it has taken Renfe so long to implement these fares.

Overall, GREAT news if confirmed.
Sounds great indeed.

Vueling are not amused though. If the tickets are so cheap because they are subsidized by the state it reeks of unfair competition that can be challenged by the EU.
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Old February 10th, 2013, 01:28 AM   #928
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Sounds great indeed.
Yep.

Finally the increase in sales has been of 115%, compared to the same date from 2012.

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Vueling are not amused though.
Curiously enough, just this Thursday evening someone committed a sabotage on the HSL in suburban Barcelona.
An AVE Seville-Barcelona hit some stones and wooden beams that someone had put on the tracks.
Luckily nothing happened, but there were 297 passengers aboard. That was not funny.
There´s an enquiry going on.

I wonder if it might have to do with this new fare system. Maybe not, maybe it was just a freak.
Although it´s clear that planes and buses will lose many passengers with this measure.

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If the tickets are so cheap because they are subsidized by the state it reeks of unfair competition that can be challenged by the EU.
Long Distance rail lines are not subsidized by the state in Spain, only regional and commuter lines are.

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Old February 10th, 2013, 09:39 AM   #929
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Now you can buy tickets for that train really cheaper than by bus almost every day.
Can you now also buy ticket between any two RENFE Stations?
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Old February 10th, 2013, 10:38 AM   #930
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On the first day with the new fare system (with some yield management, and ticket prices between 11% and 70% lower than they were), looks like ticket sales have increased by at least 50% already (but better wait for official confirmation).

The only thing we regret is that it has taken Renfe so long to implement these fares.

Overall, GREAT news if confirmed.
Yes I agreee, great news. I'm of the opinion it will help the economy, as those travelling (and fortunate to be in paid work) may well be spending money in hotels/restaurants/shops etc in the places they visit. Alicante route to open in summer
http://www.02b.com/en/notices/2013/0...assed_3912.php
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Old February 10th, 2013, 11:36 AM   #931
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Can you now also buy ticket between any two RENFE Stations?
ADIF stations but not RENFE stations (Adif, entreprise for insfrastructure, Renfe, entreprise for trains).


Only direct trains or trains with an assured link are available. For instance if you choose Jaen you can choose only stations in the way to Madrid and someone else in Andalucia (direct trains).

If link is assured, they will appear as a normal train.

By the way, in the case of more than one stations choose always the name of the city and the (*)
That means "all the stations within the city". If you don't, you can have the problem that there are no trains to the station you wrote.

It is as... for instance, I choose flights to Paris and it doesn't matter if Charles de Gaulle, Olry, Beauvais, etc... and I just write Paris(*)
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Old February 10th, 2013, 01:01 PM   #932
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Can you now also buy ticket between any two RENFE Stations?
Some day...

However now there are few transfers availlable, but I think that it's not new...
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Old February 10th, 2013, 01:04 PM   #933
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Since nine months ago transfers are being increased... but we could have more, of course.

Otherwise, if there is 60 minutes (90 if different station within same city), transfer is assured too, but they do not appear on the web.

Well... it is a great step but there is much to do, indeed.
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Old February 11th, 2013, 08:42 PM   #934
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KTrans wrote this message on the Spanish forum, I just translate it to English.

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Some results on sales, rather interesting:

Sales in advance of AVE tickets on Friday 10th of February, 2012.

Tickets: 35,547
Income: €2,509,712

Sales in advance of AVE tickets on Friday 8th of January, 2013.

Tickets: 76,543 (+115%)
Income: €3,654,749 (+46%)

Record of AVE ticket sales in just one day. Former record 04/18/2012 (64,749 tickets)

Main routes by ticket sales:

Madrid - Zaragoza- Barcelona: 31,236 sold tickets, increase by 40.80%.
Madrid - Seville: 17,435 sold tickets, increase by 22.80%
Madrid - Valencia: 9,501 sold tickets, increase by 12.40%
Madrid - Málaga: 9,436 sold tickets, increase by 12.30%
Rest of Long Distance routes: 8.935 sold tickets, increase by 11.70%

BonoAVE sold: 186

Main routes by sold BonoAVE:

Madrid Seville--------25
Madrid Valencia------21
Madrid Barcelona-----20
Madrid Valladolid-----17
Madrid Malaga-------13

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Old February 13th, 2013, 03:30 AM   #935
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A day to remember.
The TGV has finally arrived at Barcelona in tests.
The pic shows the TGV entering the tunnel between Sagrera future station and Sants station.

YEEAH!!!

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Old February 13th, 2013, 03:51 AM   #936
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This is the first foreign train to ever enter Barcelona.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #938
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KTrans wrote this message on the Spanish forum, I just translate it to English.
A math seems to be a bit funny, though. Increases on individual routes between 12 and 40%, but total increase of 115%...
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This is the first foreign train to ever enter Barcelona.
Is it? I don't think so... it's the first one in standard gauge, or the first foreign high speed train... but before that, changing bogies was possible...
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Is it? I don't think so... it's the first one in standard gauge, or the first foreign high speed train... but before that, changing bogies was possible...
The first foreign passenger train that´s foreign-tracted.

Which is as good as saying that it´s the first train.
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