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Old February 12th, 2006, 10:07 AM   #81
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Spanish HST's have airplane style classes. You can't just wander into the business class on a jumbo jet either. You pay more, so you don't have to worry about noisy nosy people, that usually travel tourist class.
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Old March 8th, 2006, 11:51 AM   #82
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Tenía entendido que el AVE a Barcelona (aún sólo hasta Lérida) nunca llegaría a los 340 km/h anunciados porque estaba mal ejecutado, y que por ahora ni siquiera alcanza los 200. ¿Alguien sabe algo de esto?

I thought I heard that high speed trains to Barcelona (only to Lleida yet) would never reach the planned 340 km/h because of mistakes in works execution, and that for the moment it doesn't even reach 200. Does someone know something about this?
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Old March 9th, 2006, 02:10 AM   #83
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In December of 2007, the high speed train from Barcelona to Madrid will reach a top speed of 350 kph. Average speed will be around 300 kph in commercial service.
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Old March 13th, 2007, 10:20 AM   #84
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SPAIN | High Speed Rail

I will be travelling Spain in april and will be taking trains from Madrid to barcelona
will the high speed line be up by then and how long would I expect the ride to be?

Another thing I opted to travel on the coastline, if that gives you an idea.
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Old March 13th, 2007, 12:23 PM   #85
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hello chirs! Barcelona-Madrid high speed line is not finished yet. It will be in December with 2hours,15 minutes. Nowadays high speed is about 75%of the distance between the 2 cities. it´s 3hours 55 minutes. The higest speeds are between Zaragoza and Madrid (280km/hour....far from the 350km/hours in december....)

But plane is a good idea to travel between the 2 cities. we call the madrid-bcn conection:"puente aereo" it means "air brige". It is usually cheaper than train...and there are more than 100 flights everyday between the 2 cities. One plane each 20 minutes more or less. You can book on the web, or just go to the airport and take your tickect from a ticket machine like the underground ones.

sorry for my english!!!!!!! hehehe. and enjoy your trip!
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Old March 13th, 2007, 12:24 PM   #86
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the distance between madrid and barcelona is about 650km
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Old March 14th, 2007, 04:16 AM   #87
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Damn I thought it would be like 2 hours 15 mins, If I travel by the coast line how long would that take?

I will take planes in the future, but atleast I will see some scenery.
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Old March 14th, 2007, 02:11 PM   #88
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Damn I thought it would be like 2 hours 15 mins, If I travel by the coast line how long would that take?

I will take planes in the future, but at least I will see some scenery.
The coast line?. What do you mean?, Madrid is 320 km away from the nearest sea (Mediterranean) in Valencia, so, if you like the "coast" line you must travel from Madrid to Cartagena-Alicante-Valencia-Barcelona, or Madrid-Valencia-Barcelona

Madrid-Cartagena: 5 hrs. + Cartagena-Barcelona: 8 hrs. = 13 hrs.
Madrid-Valencia: 3.22 hrs. + Valencia-Barcelona: 3.10 hrs.= 6.32 hrs.

This travel time is "not real" you must add the conexion time.

So my advice is to take de AVE Madrid-Barcelona.

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Old March 15th, 2007, 02:45 AM   #89
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Well, really if you take an Alvia (HST Madrid-Barcelona) you'll travel along the coast between Tarragona and Barcelona (about 100 km).

Here you can see an Alvia train on the Garraf coast.


If you are really interested in travelling by train, you can take a night train too, the Estrella Costa Brava. It's quite old but it's also another possibility.

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Old March 15th, 2007, 06:33 AM   #90
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Well I think i'm doing AVE madrid to Barcelona, my travel agent was confusing me. In my itenarary it said about 4 hours or something, but she gave me a choice to travel inland or by the coast. I'm just confused
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Old March 15th, 2007, 09:49 PM   #91
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YES- alvia train is 3hours 55 minutes
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Old March 15th, 2007, 10:32 PM   #92
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YES- alvia train is 3hours 55 minutes
Only one direct ALViA per day takes 3h55min. The rest take 4h20min.

In June 2007: 3h20min. --> ALViA
In December 2007: 2h30min. --> AVE

But high speed trains are more expensive than many flights...
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Old March 18th, 2007, 06:11 AM   #93
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more expensive than meny flights???? or....always more expensive???????jejejejjejejeje
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Old March 18th, 2007, 10:44 AM   #94
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I speak English and Chinese, so what do you think that I will be welcomed in Spain, because I always want to live in Madrid for some years, or Barcerlona.
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Old March 18th, 2007, 06:01 PM   #95
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I speak English and Chinese, so what do you think that I will be welcomed in Spain, because I always want to live in Madrid for some years, or Barcerlona.
Of course you would be welcomed. Madrid and Barcelona are plenty of foreign people working or learning Spanish. Speaking Chinese can open you several doors in the labour market.

However, the language could be a problem in the daily life. There is only a few people above 50 years who can speak English properly. Between young people things are quite different, but you should learn the language if you want to adapt yourself completely to the Spanish life.
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I speak English and Chinese, so what do you think that I will be welcomed in Spain, because I always want to live in Madrid for some years, or Barcerlona.
All young people (under 36y.o.) speak English in BCN or Madrid.

Also in BCN, there is a big Chinese community.

Anyway, I recommend you to learn Spanish!
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Old March 19th, 2007, 04:06 PM   #97
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Well in my itenarary it said: Madrid to Zaragoza to barcelona.
Do you think I would be travelling in the 'Talgo 350' and last question: What is the differnece between economy class (2nd) and first class on the trains?
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Well in my itenarary it said: Madrid to Zaragoza to barcelona.
Do you think I would be travelling in the 'Talgo 350' and last question: What is the differnece between economy class (2nd) and first class on the trains?
I suppose you are taking an ALViA then. Bitxofo made a great thread about his travel between Madrid and Barcelona in that train. Here you are:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=427042

Some pics to show you the difference between classes:
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Turist Class (2nd)

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Preferent Class (1st)

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Old March 20th, 2007, 03:51 AM   #99
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thanks! but I don't see much difference between turista classe and preferent classe?

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Old March 20th, 2007, 04:04 AM   #100
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Wow! I'm doing madrid-barcelona in April too! About the flights...so is it a good idea to reserve a seat ahead of time to save money? Or are the costs the same no matter how or where or when you get them? I've seen prices around 30 euros...which is like really cool. So what's the price if I just show up at the airport vs. buying it online or something?
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