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Old February 20th, 2013, 08:39 PM   #981
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The gains in travel time and the expected increase in passengers are bigger in the Galicia HSL than in any other HSL to Northern Spain.
I checked that the current travel time with a train from Madrid to A Coruna is 6 h 14 min and only ca 30 min better with a car. Do they promise under 3 h? The distance with a train is about 640 km so technically should be no big deal.
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Old February 20th, 2013, 09:06 PM   #982
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I think they promised all province capitals (such as La Coruña) to have a 4-4,5 hours journey to Madrid

And La Coruña is one of the located far away from Madrid

But there is less than 2h30m to Seville and, by road is about 550km...
Distance to La Coruña is just 70 km more (by road!!) so it could be possible 3h-3h15m...
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Old February 20th, 2013, 09:25 PM   #983
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Madrid-Seville is 471 km by HSR, best time 2 h 20 min giving the average of 204 km/h
Madrid-Barcelona is 621 km, best time 2 h 30 min and the average of 248 km/h

http://www.adif.es/en_US/infraestruc..._sevilla.shtml

If the line to A Coruna is as fast as the one to Seville the travel time will be 3 h 10 min, if as fast as to Barcelona then 2 h 35 min. It's a newer line than the one to Andalusia (350 km/h design limit for large stretches), but there will be several stops before A Coruna so 3 h sharp would be a good guess.

By the way wasn't the initial promise < 4 h to all provincial capitals from Madrid, less than 3 h for most of them?
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Old February 20th, 2013, 10:54 PM   #984
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Madrid-Seville is 471 km by HSR, best time 2 h 20 min giving the average of 204 km/h
Madrid-Barcelona is 621 km, best time 2 h 30 min and the average of 248 km/h

http://www.adif.es/en_US/infraestruc..._sevilla.shtml

If the line to A Coruna is as fast as the one to Seville the travel time will be 3 h 10 min, if as fast as to Barcelona then 2 h 35 min. It's a newer line than the one to Andalusia (350 km/h design limit for large stretches), but there will be several stops before A Coruna so 3 h sharp would be a good guess.

A long history.... Madrid-Seville was projected with a HSL and Spanish gauge Brazatortas (near Puertollano) - Cordoba and double line Madrid-Manzanares-Puertollano and Cordoba-Seville.

Later they changed the project and they made full HSL Madrid-Seville and with International gauge.
That's why it has more speed limits than other lines (and it was the first to be built).




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By the way wasn't the initial promise < 4 h to all provincial capitals from Madrid, less than 3 h for most of them?
They can be trains running over HSL and changing to classic lines. These trains have a speed limit of 200-250 (those ones who are able to change gauges)
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Old February 20th, 2013, 11:34 PM   #985
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They can be trains running over HSL and changing to classic lines. These trains have a speed limit of 200-250 (those ones who are able to change gauges)
Didn't know that. From that follows that HS trains to Zamora to be introduced within 1-2 years won't fully use the capabilities of the line until the whole length to Galicia is opened in a more distant future.

I was thinking more generally about the opening of new HSR lines or major tunnels. It looks like in 2013-2015 there won't be any "events" in Europe outside Spain. Nothing in France until 2016 at the earliest, Gotthard tunnel also 2016, Germany no way that fast, English haven't even started yet, Austrian tunnels are just started, Stockholm city tunnel 2017... Some of the missing stretches between Milan and Venice perhaps? Haven't heard about that project recently.
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Didn't know that. From that follows that HS trains to Zamora to be introduced within 1-2 years won't fully use the capabilities of the line until the whole length to Galicia is opened in a more distant future.

In that case, a Madrid-Zamora (only that journey point to point) could run 300 (or maybe more) km/h but a Madrid-La Coruña only 250 km/h until Zamora and later, classic line with its limits.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 07:26 AM   #987
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I think they promised all province capitals (such as La Coruña) to have a 4-4,5 hours journey to Madrid
What is the economic reasoning behind that? It would have made much more sense to focus on local economic ties (e.g. with Portugal).
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Old February 25th, 2013, 10:10 AM   #988
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there is another project to Portugal too
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Old February 25th, 2013, 10:20 AM   #989
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What is the economic reasoning behind that? It would have made much more sense to focus on local economic ties (e.g. with Portugal).
No way. In a country that has problems with some regions wanting to have their own way, it is important to foster links with the capital. Especially a capital like Madrid which is really in the center of the country (contrary to Paris, Berlin or London which are located on "corners" of their countries).
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When the speed will be 350km/h on Madrid-Barcelona?
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Old February 25th, 2013, 07:00 PM   #991
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No way. In a country that has problems with some regions wanting to have their own way, it is important to foster links with the capital. Especially a capital like Madrid which is really in the center of the country (contrary to Paris, Berlin or London which are located on "corners" of their countries).
So you basically confirm that the main reason is political according to you.
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So you basically confirm that the main reason is political according to you.
Fifty-fifty

Most of long distance journeys are crossing Madrid. There could be some of them north-south or east-west (longest than 500km) wihtout crossing Madrid but not many.
There is a geographical explanation to that


But since the 19th century all road or railway networks have been radial, rather than linking several cities.
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True, it is fifty-fifty. Infrastructure is also politics but politics by boosting economic ties, thats why it is as much about economy as well. Linking cities by HSR can be a huge benefit, especially for slightly more peripheral cities. Just take Marseilles, it benefited a lot by the LGV to Paris.
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When the speed will be 350km/h on Madrid-Barcelona?
It's ready but economically it doesn't make sense...now the max speed is 330Km/h...

Actually that line could support trains faster than 350Km/h...
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are you sure about 330? I thougt that the trains only run with 310 as maximum speed
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Old February 26th, 2013, 02:06 PM   #997
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Is the single track line seem in several of those pictures then the conventional line to Granada?
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Sorry, but I just don´t get what you mean in this sentence.
I think I see the meaning. If so, using slightly more latinate and less germanic style, it might be:
Is the single-track line visible in several of those photos the conventional line to Grenada?
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Alright. Thanks, mcarling. The "seem" and the "then" made me get lost.

Yes and no. That picture shows the current line that´s used.
Which is no other than the HSL, with Iberian gauge and single-track (but with room for a second track).
The classic line in that sector was abandoned, but the platform still exists and could (will?) be re-used if need be.
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Out of curiosity, has anyone here who happens to travel with AVE noticed an increase in the amount of passengers on their route, after Renfe lowered ticket prices?
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Out of curiosity, has anyone here who happens to travel with AVE noticed an increase in the amount of passengers on their route, after Renfe lowered ticket prices?
One forumer told this experience:

He had to change a Barcelona-Zaragoza ticket. No problem in that way, but only tourist class was available.
He went to the train and... it was a double train. Second train seemed not to have business neither first class. Renfe preferred to sell more tourist tickets even if less money and better seats.

I think it was an interesting post about traffic increase
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