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Old March 17th, 2013, 07:32 PM   #1021
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It looks like there's a pass valid on conventional trains, Abonos Mensuales, but it's not valid for AVE. There's BonoAVE, which is good for 10 trips between two stations.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 10:16 PM   #1022
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I know that there is NO year ticket for all of Renfes network, but how is it with year/month tickets for a special releation (like Zaragoza-Madrid)? What is the price? Is it possible to buy a year ticket for all releations in Spain? Is there a link for more information to be found on the internet?
In Spain there is a distintion beetween commuter services and long-haul services in HSR. Commuter high speed rail is called Avant:

http://www.renfe.com/EN/viajeros/med..._abonos/avant/

The Avant's have month tickets and other multiple journey tickets as any other commuter rail system of the world, but the don't cover all the high speed lines of Spain, the only connect the major cities with the nearest stations.

Here you have a map of Avant connetions, it lacks the new connection Barcelona-French border which calls at Girona and Figueres-Vilafant:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...ant_200906.png

A season ticket should be bought at the stations, there isn't information about prices and conditions (they change between routes).

Avant and other high speed trains aren't ticket-compatible, you cannot take an AVE or Alvia with your season ticket, only the Avant. There are some exception but in that case trains are double announced, like two trains, one AVE and one Avant, who leave the same track at the same hour.

In relations out of the Avant service it didn't exist multiple journey tickets unless some moths ago were 10 journeys tickets were introduced, but that's all. Between Madrid and Zaragoza all you could get is that 10 journeys pass.

Renfe didn't want to mix long-haul and commuter passenger because the tought that the passengers who are traveling all the route don't have to be "disturbed" by commuter passengers, for example in terms of filling the train only in a small part of the route, preventing to sell that seats to a long haul passenger. Currently that is changing a little bit.
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Old March 20th, 2013, 10:55 PM   #1023
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Great AVE photos

Thanks for your explanations!

I just discovered some REALLY fascinating photos of the Spanish High Speed Rail. They are very great!

Part 1: http://www.drehscheibe-foren.de/fore...25#msg-5973725

Part 2: http://www.drehscheibe-foren.de/fore...57#msg-5982157

Does anybody of you know a website with more photos of the Spanish High Speed Rails? I love them ))
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Old March 21st, 2013, 12:45 AM   #1024
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Wow, gorgeous pictures! Nice find
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Old March 21st, 2013, 03:51 PM   #1025
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Official news: Frédéric Cuvillier has confirmed on the radio that April the 28th is the date the direct TGV services Barcelona-Paris and vv. will start running. Two per day, three on weekends.
Also two AVE Barcelona-Toulouse and vv. per day.
that's very intersting

How would be the journey time between Barcelona and Toulouse using an AVE/TGV ? (2 hours or even less ? )
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Old March 21st, 2013, 06:51 PM   #1026
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How would be the journey time between Barcelona and Toulouse using an AVE/TGV ? (2 hours or even less ? )
Three hours until the HSL stretch between Perpignan and Narbonne is built.
I read somewhere that once that was done, the targeted travel time between Barcelona and Toulouse was 2h20min.
That could be improved even more the day the HSL between Narbonne and Toulouse were built (that´s not for tomorrow...).

Still, Barcelona to Toulouse in 3 hours is excellent, especially when you think how close they are both cities and you realise that there´s never ever been any direct rail service linking both cities, which is a bit weird.
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Old March 21st, 2013, 09:23 PM   #1027
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3 h is still faster than with a car (according to google) so it's fine for a time being, the only open question is how big is a travel market between those two cities already and by how much could it be improved by making the journey faster/more convenient.
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Old March 21st, 2013, 09:29 PM   #1028
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Yeah, but not enough rather a plane.

The important point will be to intermediate cities or shuttle from Toulouse trhough Bordeaux (and intermediate stations) and from Barcelona to Valencia/Zaragoza and so on.

Those cities have not direct flights.
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Old March 21st, 2013, 09:56 PM   #1029
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Yeah, but not enough rather a plane.

The important point will be to intermediate cities or shuttle from Toulouse trhough Bordeaux (and intermediate stations) and from Barcelona to Valencia/Zaragoza and so on.

Those cities have not direct flights.
You are saying that Barcelona-Touloise will still be a bit faster by a plane even when taking into account getting to and from airport? Probably, but who is going to bother flying if a direct train is only 3 h? Very few people, I think. This route is rather short and mostly in competition with cars not airplanes.
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how long would it take to travel to Hendaye from Barcelona:

1- via Zaragoza
2- via Perpignan and Tolouse
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Old March 21st, 2013, 10:55 PM   #1031
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Depending if the Basque "Y" is made or still on works.

Irun-Pamplona takes too long for just 100 km away. Pamplona-Zaragoza is less than 2 hours and HSR Zaragoza-Barcelona

via Toulouse there is no HSR.



we should consider frequencies also
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You are saying that Barcelona-Touloise will still be a bit faster by a plane even when taking into account getting to and from airport? Probably, but who is going to bother flying if a direct train is only 3 h? Very few people, I think. This route is rather short and mostly in competition with cars not airplanes.
I'm just saying that maybe Barcelona-Toulouse will be 50-50 plane-train but Barcelona-XXXXX or Toulouse-YYYYY will be almost 100% train
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I'm just saying that maybe Barcelona-Toulouse will be 50-50 plane-train
The price difference would have to be large or frequencies very lousy for me to prefer a plane for a direct travel of this sort...

Actually I think with a 3 h travel time majority will still drive, but not as big a majority as today.
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I'm just saying that maybe Barcelona-Toulouse will be 50-50 plane-train
Is there a 50-50 plane-train on Barcelona-Valencia?
Toulouse is closer to Barcelona than Valencia.
It´s the car, not the plane, that is the competitor on Toulouse-Barcelona.
Not longer after the day the AVE Barcelona-Toulouse starts, they´ll cut the plane, that´s sure.
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Not longer after the day the AVE Barcelona-Toulouse starts, they´ll cut the plane, that´s sure.
Maybe not completely. Plane would still be useful for those living in Toulouse area and using Barcelona airport for long haul flights.
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The price difference would have to be large or frequencies very lousy for me to prefer a plane for a direct travel of this sort...

Actually I think with a 3 h travel time majority will still drive, but not as big a majority as today.


So do I.
Even though some travels that could take more time by train than by car, I tried to choose the train as many times as I could. Sleeping, resting, reading, etc...


But the reality is that Madrid-Barcelona was 50-50 only when full HSR. With more than 3 hours, the plane had more point-to-point passengers.
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Maybe not completely. Plane would still be useful for those living in Toulouse area and using Barcelona airport for long haul flights.
I don´t know. It´s true that this has happened on Madrid-Valencia, they´ve keps a few flights for those who, from Valencia, just do a scale at Madrid.
But Barcelona-Toulouse... how many flights per day are there, between these two?
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In fact... how many daily Valencia-Madrid trains do we have?. Many more than two (Barcelona-Toulouse expected).

Maybe plane will go down just because not enough passengers for rail and plane.
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 01:35 AM   #1039
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Yeah, but not enough rather a plane.

The important point will be to intermediate cities or shuttle from Toulouse trhough Bordeaux (and intermediate stations) and from Barcelona to Valencia/Zaragoza and so on.

Those cities have not direct flights.
Vueling has a route Toulouse-Barcelona... 2x weekly. It exists since only a few years ago, when Vueling, headquartered in Barcelona, opened a base in Toulouse-Blagnac (approximately when Toulouse terminal D was opened, ~2010).

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Maybe not completely. Plane would still be useful for those living in Toulouse area and using Barcelona airport for long haul flights.
With 2 connections per week via low cost I don't think so.

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I don´t know. It´s true that this has happened on Madrid-Valencia, they´ve keps a few flights for those who, from Valencia, just do a scale at Madrid.
But Barcelona-Toulouse... how many flights per day are there, between these two?
Barcelona might capture flights of people who need to be at the airbus facilities in Toulouse.

I have a friend in Asia who need to travel to Toulouse regularly for example. But that all depends on the direct international flights that exist into Barcelona. There is one from Singapore airlines.
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