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Old June 11th, 2013, 07:29 PM   #1281
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Good news! Lower fares attract more passengers.

AVE ridership soars as passengers embrace lower fares
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Old June 11th, 2013, 07:39 PM   #1282
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Sources in Renfe contacted by IRJ stated that due to a relatively low demand for business travel, the company intends to focus on continuing to expand its still weak market share in the leisure travel segment, with more special offers and longer trains on weekends and public holidays.
Aren't RENFE's AVE trains operated more or less at fixed composition?
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Old June 11th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #1283
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Maybe they will couple two sets together? They have plenty of spares if the media are to believed.
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Old June 11th, 2013, 10:51 PM   #1284
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Yes they do it. This easter was an expample, if im not wrong they had to reinforce the trains very often.
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Old June 12th, 2013, 12:13 AM   #1285
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Well, the time advantage of AVE major services is notable. Distances are reasonably far enough. In that scenario, throw in a widespread economic crisis and, at the right prices, you can certainly make the ridership increase a lot.

The trick is not to run services below their marginal costs. However, with trainsets idling on siding and depots, the marginal cost of running an extra train is very low, since idling trains lose money still.

Has RENFE considered selling some of these trains to other operators in Europe? Can they be fitted with additional power units able to use DC?
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Old June 12th, 2013, 12:33 AM   #1286
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They will need those additional trains when new lines are opened. It won't be quite as soon as initially forecast, but it will happen.

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Old June 12th, 2013, 12:45 AM   #1287
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Aren't RENFE's AVE trains operated more or less at fixed composition?
Not always. Some trains at peak hours might be in double composition. And even less since the fare system changed.

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Maybe they will couple two sets together? They have plenty of spares if the media are to believed.
Well... since June the 18th they´re having a few less idle trains (Alicante HSL fully open).

By the end of next year or 2015 the HSL between Villena and Valencia should be opening, and all the services Barcelona-Alicante should use it (and also maybe a new Alvia Barcelona-Valencia-Albacete-Madrid).

THe HSL to Galicia should open a new stretch by 2015 (between Olmedo junction and Zamora). That should mean more trains too.

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Yes they do it. This easter was an expample, if im not wrong they had to reinforce the trains very often.
Especially on the Madrid-Mediterranean lines (Alicante, Valencia, Malaga, Barcelona, Figueras).
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Old June 12th, 2013, 07:26 AM   #1288
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I've travelled in several double composition trains. It depends on peak hours and sometimes they schedule the train as in a single composition and change while they see they have resources and enough demand
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Old June 12th, 2013, 11:14 AM   #1289
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Albacete - Alcatant (will be opened soon)
Antequera - Granada
Madrid - Badajoz - Portugal
Madrid tunnel (connection between Atocha and Charmatin)
Bobadilla-Granada (will the line terminate there or is there already construction going on direction Almeria?)
Olmedo - Ourense
Vigo - Santiago (will it the the only connection for HSR for Vigo? It's not really the fastest way direction Madrid)
Bobadilla is a district of Antequera, these two are the same line.
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Old June 12th, 2013, 02:22 PM   #1290
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I just found that information:

Services will be operated with
Class 112 trainsets, as well as
refurbished Class 100 units which
entered service on Spain’s first
high speed line between Madrid
and Sevilla in 1992.


When were the class 100 trains refurbished and what was changed? does anybody have photos of the new interieur? How many trains are modernized?

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Old June 17th, 2013, 04:00 PM   #1291
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With the opening today of the new line to Alicante this is the new high-speed rail map in Spain.



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Alicante's new temporary railway station aerial view..



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Cab ride on what I presume it is an S-112 between Albacete and Alicante stations, on the new stretch of the HSL open today.
Note that these are tests, so no top speed in this case.
Anyway, till the trouble with the ECTS-Level 2 isn´t solved, the speed won´t go further than 200km/h in comercial service.

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Old June 17th, 2013, 06:07 PM   #1294
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On another topic, a winter back cab ride between Ciudad Real and Zaragoza-Delicias, by-passing Madrid on an Andalusia-Barcelona AVE service.

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I just found that information:

Services will be operated with
Class 112 trainsets, as well as
refurbished Class 100 units which
entered service on Spain’s first
high speed line between Madrid
and Sevilla in 1992.


When were the class 100 trains refurbished and what was changed? does anybody have photos of the new interieur? How many trains are modernized?

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In 2006-2009 the 18 s100 series (not including the s101 euromed) were refurbished with new interior and 3 more seats, 9 of them got ERTMS sytems and the whole 18 got new GSMR comunications systems.

In 2009 the 6 s101 euromed were refurbished with standar gauge bogies plus including modification of interiors to integrate them with the s100.

After this there were 24 s100 trains with same characteristics.(9 only with ERTMS)

In 2011-2013 10 units have been modified to adapt to french signaling system and 1,5 Kv DC and business class was changed for 2nd class seats.
In adition, the rest of 14 trains were also modified: business was eliminated and ERTMS installed.(but not french standards)

Now there are 10 with double tension 25 Kv 50 Hz/1,5Kv Dc ERTMS plus frenh signaling system and 14 with standard trains (25 Kv 50 Hz ERTMS)

Here is the source http://www.ferropedia.es/wiki/Renfe_Serie_100 with pictures of the interiors.
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New Villena-AV station.

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Old June 17th, 2013, 08:27 PM   #1297
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Villena station looks quite nice considering its rural location.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 10:20 PM   #1298
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Actually it´s quite a simple station, much more simple than Albacete or Cuenca stations.

The area is rather more populated than it seems, albeit there´s no big city that stands out among the others.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 11:00 PM   #1299
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Actually it´s quite a simple station, much more simple than Albacete or Cuenca stations.
Exactly and I find it very appropriate for this location. In fact every non-metropolitan and non-city centre station could use this or very similar design to save some money which could be invested in the railway itself. Never understood this infatuation with fancy stations by star architects, particularly when built outside major metropolitan areas (see Italy thread for a recent example). It's such a waste...
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Old June 18th, 2013, 12:25 AM   #1300
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It's simple but still good looking, I like it! and I hope it will get passengers as it seems that using a car is compulsory from there...
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