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Old June 18th, 2013, 01:16 AM   #1301
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Villena AV's station looks gorgeous.
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Old June 18th, 2013, 06:43 PM   #1302
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It's simple but still good looking, I like it! and I hope it will get passengers as it seems that using a car is compulsory from there...
It will suffer the same problem as every other rural HSR train station in Spain. Due to lack of coordination they build the train station and forget to build proper access points. This look just like another Camp de Tarragona where they also forgot to build proper access points.

I station is IMO worthless if you can't reach it in a practical way, Villena as it stand now has poor road connection only accessible through backroads, it lacks proper direct road access to A-31. And by that I mean a new purpose built road dead straight between the train station and the motorway.

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Old June 18th, 2013, 07:27 PM   #1303
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A picture of Alicante station, in which you can see the new parking / taxi / bus/ park & ride area.
I swear that last weekend it did look much worse. They are fast.
I don´t particularly like the new extension of the station, but since it´s not definitive (they say...).

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Old June 18th, 2013, 11:43 PM   #1304
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An AVE S-100, shortly after leaving Alicante bound for Madrid-Atocha.

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Old June 19th, 2013, 12:49 AM   #1305
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That´s the tunnel you can see from the highway?
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Old June 19th, 2013, 10:54 PM   #1306
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More austerity in Spain
Railway plans revised.

HSL Galicia:

-HSL between Olmedo and Ourense will open in single-track, with long crossing points.
-new Ourense station to be revised.
-branch to Vigo goes ahead.
-cuts of cost of Medina del Campo, Puebla de Sanabria and Gudiña stations by revision of each project.

HSL Valladolid-Burgos-Vitoria:

-will open till Burgos normally as previewed.
-third rail between Burgos and Vitoria.

HSL Basque "Y":

-will open as previewed except for the new accesses to Bilbao and Vitoria.
-New Vitoria and San Sebastian-Astigarraga stations postponed.
-HSL between San Sebastian-Astigarraga and Irun postponed.
-Third rail connections to current Bilbao-Abando and Vitoria stations, and also between San Sebastian and Irun (3kV, so no TGV Paris-Bilbao ).

Mediterranean Corridor (sector Valencia-Almeria):

-HSL Valencia-La Encina/Villena as previewed.
-third rail on classic line between Valencia and La Encina.
-reconstruction of the old classic line in Iberian gauge between La Encina and Xativa. in single track (room left for future double-tracking).
-HSL Monforte del Cid/Alicante-Murcia as previewed.
-gauge change of the classic line between Alicante and Albatera-Catral.
-Murcia new station postponed. Third rail instead.
-HSL Murcia-Cartagena project postponed. Third rail and electrification of classic line instead.
-HSL Murcia-Lorca goes ahead but without new Lorca station. Lorca.San Diego and Lorca-Sutullena stations will be upgraded. Not sure wether single or double track.
-HSL Lorca-Almeria is not mentioned (cancelled?).

Mediterranean Corridor (sector Valencia-Tarragona):

-third rail in the two tracks between Valencia and Sagunto.
-third rail in one track between Sagunto and Castellon.
-gauge change between Castellon and Tarragona, including the Tortosa branch.
-classic line Vandellos-Cambrils-Salou-Tarragona not mentioned (not sure about what will happen, there´s a project of expanding the commuter trains).

Ebro Corridor (sector Saragossa-Pamplona-Vitoria):

-third rail between Saragossa and Castejón
-new HSL Castejón-Pamplona built in single track, standard gauge.
-gauge change between Pamplona and Alsasua.
-third rail between Alsasua and Vitoria.
-new station at new location at Pamplona goes ahead, but the project is revised.

Antequera-Granada HSL:

-HSL will open only till Archidona, classic line with third rail instead.
-Granada new station postponed.

HSL Palencia-Leon-Asturias:

-HSL Venta de Baños-Palencia-Leon goes ahead as previewed.
-Valladolid, Venta de Baños, Palencia and Leon station projects postponed. Upgrades instead.
-no standard gauge for the Pajares tunnels OR third rail between Leon and La Robla and one of the two tubes in standard gauge and the other in Iberian gauge (classic line through Pajares Pass maintained in any case).

Atocha-Chamartín connection and new HSL Madrid-Torrejón de Velasco junction:

-the project goes ahead as previewed.

Madrid-Extremadura-Lisbon HSL (sector Madrid-Badajoz):

-Plasencia-Cáceres-Mérida-Badajoz HSL opens in single track, Iberian gauge and diesel.
-Plasencia, Cáceres, Mérida and Badajoz new station projects postponed.
-section between Madrid and Plasencia is not mentioned.

Seville-Cadiz classic line upgrade:

-goes ahead as previewed as previewed.

HSL projects not mentioned on the report (and postponed? cancelled?):

-Lorca-Almeria.
-Seville-Antequera.
-Madrid-Talavera-Plasencia.
-all the other HSLs drawn on any map and not started nor projected nor seriously talked about (Saragossa-Teruel-Valencia, Medina del Campo-Salamanca, Avila-Salamanca, Madrid-Avila, Palencia-Santander, Bilbao-Santander, Castejón-Logroño-Miranda, Coruña-Ferrol-Oviedo-Santander, Seville-Huelva, Madrid-Jaen, Leon-Ponferrada-Monforte-Lugo-Coruña...).
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Old June 19th, 2013, 11:33 PM   #1307
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Muchas gracias por las noticias tu siempre escribes // thank you for the news you always write

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branch to Vigo goes ahead.
Is it a wise decision? If I have understood correctly it needs an 18 km tunnel (plus the 8 km one of Vigo), and just for a single city.

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Valladolid, Venta de Baños, Palencia and Leon station projects postponed. Upgrades instead.
So León will remain with its dead-end station?

Why not building a new one here (or nearby), which would still be near the city centre?

However, keeping the old station as it was would have been better. With all freight and León-Galicia passenger trains going via the new southern bypass, the (in)famous "Crucero" level crossing could have been kept for passenger trains to Asturias, hardly more than 20 a day (10 round trips).
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Old June 20th, 2013, 03:30 AM   #1308
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Muchas gracias por las noticias tu siempre escribes // thank you for the news you always write
Grazie per le notizie che tu scrivi sempre = Gracias por las noticias que escribes siempre.

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Btw, I wrote a bit fast, because that was apparently a leak we had this afternoon and I was busy doing stuff for my real life (doesn´t look like it, but I actually have one! ). So if someone has any questions, go on about it.

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Is it a wise decision? If I have understood correctly it needs an 18 km tunnel (plus the 8 km one of Vigo), and just for a single city.
Incorrect: the 18km tunnel is for a future phase, when the Portuguese () will agree to build a High-Speed link between Porto and Vigo ().
Actually, for now there´s talks about electrifying the classic line between Nine and Valença and across the Minho till Guillarei, so that gives you an idea of how advanced is that 18km tunnel...

The 8km tunnel between Redondela and Vigo has already been bored, and that must link Vigo to Pontevedra, Santiago and Madrid (and Corunna).

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For now, it will. We all knew it was going to be the case. It´s a shame and a waste of travel time, but well... now there´s no going back.

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Why not building a new one here (or nearby), which would still be near the city centre?
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However, keeping the old station as it was would have been better. With all freight and León-Galicia passenger trains going via the new southern bypass, the (in)famous "Crucero" level crossing could have been kept for passenger trains to Asturias, hardly more than 20 a day (10 round trips).
You are right.
In the end, I think they´ll end up building the station in its old location but in a cut.
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Old June 20th, 2013, 05:06 AM   #1309
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Maybe something miraculous happen and the Madrid-Talavera-Plasencia branch gets Madrid-Toledo-Talavera-Plasencia when reactivated....

The works in Toledo would be really difficult, but it could be compensated by the reduction in kms.



(La Sagra Station is a technical station that actually exist without passenger services, it was supposed to be a possible common station for LAV Toledo and LAV NAFA in the future as well).
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Old June 20th, 2013, 01:20 PM   #1310
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How would they deal with ending Toledo station in that way?
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Old June 20th, 2013, 01:34 PM   #1311
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As i thought, Lorca-Almeria is canned and Spain end up with la Engaña 2.0

For those that don't understand this, La Engaña was a 7 km railway tunnel built but never opened on a railway line that was never finished. Now version 2.0 is here in the form of Sorbas tunnel, 400 million euros have been wasted on a 7,5 km tunnel from nowhere to nowhere

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Alicante's new temporary railway station aerial view..



http://multimedia.diarioinformacion....s-7125_6.shtml
how will look it in the future??
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Old June 20th, 2013, 05:00 PM   #1313
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how will look it in the future??
Near future, like this.
Distant future, we can´t know that yet.

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As i thought, Lorca-Almeria is canned and Spain end up with la Engaña 2.0

For those that don't understand this, La Engaña was a 7 km railway tunnel built but never opened on a railway line that was never finished. Now version 2.0 is here in the form of Sorbas tunnel, 400 million euros have been wasted on a 7,5 km tunnel from nowhere to nowhere
We´ll see, but I´m not so sure about it.
A reconnection of the Region of Murcia and Eastern Andalusia is demanded since 1985.
Oh, yes, they shouldn´t have closed the Almendricos-Guadix line, we all know that, it was a terrible mistake.
But the deed is done. I´m not that pessimistic about this line though. Keep in mind that next to where I live there´s the Tarragona-Vandellos stretch, which was started 20 years ago (yes, twenty years ago), and it´s only now that they´re starting to finish it.

I don´t think it would be right to have that rail gap for many more years.

But you know, we´re in a crisis, the biggest in many years, because we had the housing bubble, and now it´s time to slow down and recover.

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Maybe something miraculous happen and the Madrid-Talavera-Plasencia branch gets Madrid-Toledo-Talavera-Plasencia when reactivated....

The works in Toledo would be really difficult, but it could be compensated by the reduction in kms.



(La Sagra Station is a technical station that actually exist without passenger services, it was supposed to be a possible common station for LAV Toledo and LAV NAFA in the future as well).
I hope that will be done. I think it wouldn´t be right to skip Toledo and leave it like a dead end once again.

But that´ll take time, and it won´t be cheap at all. But I think it could be worth it in case the whole HSL to Lisbon was to be finished.

Lots of patience will be needed.

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How would they deal with ending Toledo station in that way?
By boring a tunnel under Toledo. It´s not cheap, but it could be done.
If the HSL to Lisbon started at Toledo and not at Pantoja, it would connect SIX UNESCO World Heritage sites or cities (Lisbon, Evora, Merida, Caceres, Toledo and Madrid). That could be very attractive for tourism (and for business too, of course).
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Important news:

-looks like a Euromed service Valencia-Barcelona will be extended till Figueres-Vilafant station, providing an interesting link to one of the two TGV Figueres Vilafant-Paris Gare de Lyon. More data as soon as I have it.

-extension of the Cercanías C4 commuter train line from Colmenar Viejo to Soto del Real given the go ahead. The construction project (sorry for my bad technical English) has yet to be passed, and after that, only the execution of the works would be left.
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Apparently, these will be the timetables for the new Euromed service.
Starting on Sunday the 23rd of June!!

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For now, the northbound service isn´t available yet, but jotaerre says this (and his guesses usually have a high probability of happening):

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If it is effectively done in the near future it is better than I expected.


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-HSL will open only till Archidona, classic line with third rail instead.
The plan is to use the new line with only one track, except for Loja (~10km) and the access to Granada (2,3 km). It doesn't make sense to electrify the old line when the new one is done in these sections.
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The Adif document that was leaked is this one:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bziz...hLdEFYTVE/edit
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The plan is to use the new line with only one track, except for Loja (~10km) and the access to Granada (2,3 km). It doesn't make sense to electrify the old line when the new one is done in these sections.
No need for austerity if they stop buying ghost stations. Like the Villena one. Another 100+ million the tax payers have to cough up.


http://politica.elpais.com/politica/...13_571052.html
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No need for austerity if they stop buying ghost stations. Like the Villena one. Another 100+ million the tax payers have to cough up.


http://politica.elpais.com/politica/...13_571052.html
I´m not sure about the accuracy of the numbers that El País shows, the way they put them.

The station itself has no problems, and in fact it has been resized to reduce costs.

If the local authorities are mediocre enough as to not provide any decent means of public transport to it, it´s their fault.
It´s not like the construction of the station hadn´t been announced.
As for the station access, it wasn´t the Ministry´s bidding, but the Valencian regional government´s, who have failed miserably to build them.

The area is rather populated, don´t fool yourself: the article says that the number of passengers the day it opened was mediocre, but it actually wasn´t.

I admit though that the day that this station will have a decent access will improve its numbers considerably.
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I have to go by the numbers in the newspaper. What do you think is the potential area in terms of number of people that can make use of this station?

Do you think in general that it makes sense to build these "rural" stations. It's not the first one built.
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