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Old June 24th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #1321
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Pictures of the Zamora station, on the Madrid-Galicia HSL.
The pictures show us the first phase of the upgrade, which consists of the first two tracks, in Iberian gauge.
The standard gauge tracks will be beyond the second platform.

These two platforms are in use by now.

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I have to go by the numbers in the newspaper.
To me, itīs ok to be aware of what a newspaper says, but if you donīt read the lot and the oficial press statements by Renfe, Adif and the Ministry, you wonīt be able to make yourself the full picture.

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What do you think is the potential area in terms of number of people that can make use of this station?
Bigger than all the other parkway HSR stations in Spain, except for Camp de Tarragona.

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Do you think in general that it makes sense to build these "rural" stations. It's not the first one built.
You donīt say "rural stations" in English, but parkway stations.

I think that it depends on the area where each parkway station is located.

The idea for parkway stations is to build a station at a point of the HSL where in normal conditions there would have been just a crossing and doubling point, these stations are built to improve the ridership, or because a branch to the city center station would be too expensive and/or would increase the travel time too much.

Theyīre all usually not very appreciated by the local users, who feel that they should be entitled to a city center station instead.

I find parkway stations a reasonable solution in some cases, but not THE solution.

There are a few different cases in Spain:

-Guadalajara-Yebes parkway station couldnīt have been built elsewhere, no matter what the press might say. It is true that it is located on grounds of a former property of the husband of Esperanza Aguirre (former minister from the Aznar government and later former president of the Madrid regional government), but there was truly little alternative, otherwise the station wouldnīt have been built, since the slope between the HSL and Guadalajara city center is indeed very big (like 300m), so costs and travel time would have skyrocketed if a connection to Guadalajara center had been decided. The station is fully justified though since around half a million people live in the area, and the station building is not very big nor expensive. Shame that they didnīt follow the trend with Camp de Tarragona and a few other parkway stations...

-Camp de Tarragona parkway station is a bit the same case, travel time would have increased too much if theyīd built a connection to central Tarragona, and costs too, since it would have involved boring many tunnels, a few of them rather long. Besides, the soil of Tarragona city is geologically difficult, and archeologically very difficult. The station is fully justified since around half a million people live in the area (countless of the tourists). The main problem is that the station building is indeed very big, too big, there was no need for such a building in a parkway station, it looks like an airport.

-Segovia-Guiomar and Cuenca-Fernando Zóbel parkway stations could have been built a little closer to the city center, but a connection to the old Segovia station was very difficult, and the same goes for Cuenca. The station buildings are too big too. Both stations are fully justified, though.

The following stations started out as crossing and doubling points, but developed into fully formed stations:

-Puente Genil-Herrera and Antequera-Santa Ana parkway stations were built only with the idea of increasing ridership, and not much would have happened if they hadnīt been built, especially at Antequera, since Antequera-Santa Ana is located 17km away from Antequera, and a new Antequera central HSR station is in works. Both station buildings are too big and expensive. But Antequera-Santa Ana is also located at a junction of different lines.

-Requena-Utiel parkway station probably shouldnīt have been built, but you know, those were the days...
Moreover, the area around Requena and Utiel is covered by the Valencia commuter trains...
The station building is not that expensive, though...

-Villena parkway station started out as another crossing and doubling point, but since the area is rather populated (although it lacks a main big city, there are a lot of mid-sized and small cities), it was decided that a HSR station was to be built. Not far, another one, at Almansa, was started, but works stopped with only the platforms started. To me, Villena parkway station is fully justified, and the building is not that expensive.

-The Villanueva de Córdoba parkway unfinished station has been for many years (since 1992) a crossing and doubling point, until the Andalusian regional government decided to ask to expand it into a fully-formed station. Works started, the station is rather advanced now, but no road access has been built and the station has been stopped. The station shouldnīt have been started since there is not population enough in the area to justify a station, although for once, it was started with a building small enough.

There are at least four more parkway stations in project in HSLs that are under construction (Ezkio-Itsaso, Medina del Campo, Puebla de Sanabria and A Gudiņa).

All the other HSR stations in use in Spain are city center stations.
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The Adif document that was leaked is this one:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bziz...hLdEFYTVE/edit
And Adif denies this being true, as we knew it would...
Weīll see, because there are some unpopular measures.
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Old June 24th, 2013, 11:30 PM   #1324
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Sorry, I made a few mistakes by typing too fast.

You said this:

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I have to go by the numbers in the newspaper.
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To me, itīs ok to be aware of what a newspaper says, but if you donīt read the lot and the official press statements by Renfe, Adif and the Ministry, you wonīt be able to make yourself the full picture.
By "the lot" I meant the lot of the press.

Then you said this:

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What do you think is the potential area in terms of number of people that can make use of this station?
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Bigger than all the other parkway HSR stations in Spain, except for Camp de Tarragona.
But I should have added "and Guadalajara-Yebes too, if it finally gets better connections to Guadalajara and Alcala de Henares".

Then you said this:

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Do you think in general that it makes sense to build these "rural" stations. It's not the first one built.
And I answered with that long part of the message:

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You donīt say "rural stations" in English, but parkway stations.

I think that it depends on the area where each parkway station is located.

The idea for parkway stations is to build a [...]

(etc)

[...]I find parkway stations a reasonable solution in some cases, but not THE solution.

There are a few different cases in Spain:

-Guadalajara-Yebes
-Camp de Tarragona
-Segovia-Guiomar and Cuenca-Fernando Zóbel
-Puente Genil-Herrera and Antequera-Santa Ana
-Requena-Utiel
-Villena
-The Villanueva de Córdoba parkway unfinished station

[...] (etc) [...]

There are at least four more parkway stations in project in HSLs that are under construction (Ezkio-Itsaso, Medina del Campo, Puebla de Sanabria and A Gudiņa).

All the other HSR stations in use in Spain are city center stations.
I forgot two other planned HSR parkway stations: Elche-Matola (on the HSL Alicante-Murcia), and Vera-Almanzora (on the HSL Murcia-Lorca-Almeria).
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Old June 25th, 2013, 06:18 PM   #1325
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Out of interest what is the latest timescale estimate for Madrid - A Coruna high-speed services?
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Out of interest what is the latest timescale estimate for Madrid - A Coruna high-speed services?
3h15min or so (when the line is completely finished and open). Now itīs 6h15min.
But there should be intermediate phases, in which the travel time will progressively decrease.
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Looks like the new AVE service Madrid-Alicante, replacing the Alvia that changed gauge at Albacete thanks to the extension of the Madrid-Albacete HSL to Alicante, is being very successful.

Lots of full trains now. And the line is not working at full pelt yet!
By the end of the year, when the ETCS-2 will be in service and the travel time will be cut to 2h05min (from the current 2h20min), it will be the bomb!

People travel even from Murcia to board the AVE at Alicante (this has meant that ridership on the Cercanías C1 Murcia-Alicante commuter line has increased a lot, too!).

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Pics of some trains between Alicante main station and Universidad de Alicante station:

Here we can see the HSL Madrid-Alicante and the classic line Madrid-Alicante.
On the classic line an S-447 EMU approaching its terminus Alicante on a Cercanías C3 commuter service San Vicente del Raspeig-Alicante.

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These two pics show and AVE S-100 approaching Alicante from Madrid.
This S-100 is the one with different cabs, due to the accident at Torredembarra in 2002. The new cab (the one that was replaced) is the one of a TGV Duplex, since by 2002 Alstom didnīt produce any more "old" TGV cabins.

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On these next two we can see an S.449 EMU approaching Alicante from... I donīt know, it could be Valencia OR Ciudad Real.

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On this one we can see a Talgo approaching Alicante.
I donīt know wether this Talgo is bound for Alicante or Murcia. In any case it comes from Barcelona:

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These two pics show and AVE S-100 approaching Alicante from Madrid.
This S-100 is the one with different cabs, due to the accident at Torredembarra in 2002. The new cab (the one that was replaced) is the one of a TGV Duplex, since by 2002 Alstom didnīt produce any more "old" TGV cabins.
As far I know half of this train is entirely new, one locomotive based on the TGV Duplex design, then the following few coaches built new from the Korean TGV project. Is that true?

Beside that, it is one of the six sets intially used on broad gauge lines* as S-101.

*broad gauge only, they weren't and aren't variable gauge
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As far I know half of this train is entirely new, one locomotive based on the TGV Duplex design, then the following few coaches built new from the Korean TGV project. Is that true?
I think that it was only one or at most two coaches that were new.
The rest is the original train.

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Beside that, it is one of the six sets intially used on broad gauge lines* as S-101.

*broad gauge only, they weren't and aren't variable gauge
It is. Now most of them are being modified to run in France under 1,5kV.
But this one wonīt be, for now.
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But this one wonīt be, for now.
Maybe because it is different from the other S-100, so that a different homologation procedure for France would be needed?
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Maybe because it is different from the other S-100, so that a different homologation procedure for France would be needed?
Oh, no...

Actually the inside is identical to the others... and the outside is identical to the TGV Duplex...

Itīs just that not all the S-100 have been modified for the 1,5kV, and this one fell on the lot that wasnīt.
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A TGV 2N2 at Girona station during some tests, on June the 20th: http://www.flickr.com/photos/altaria01669/9092889569/
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So we will see in spain the duplex 2n2 before the dayse?
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So we will see in spain the duplex 2n2 before the dayse?
Itīs not unlikely, since the TGV 2N2 is better adapted to the Spanish network than the TGV Dasye.

By the way, in Spain we keep on seeing the Dasye for a while now: two of them enter Figueres-Vilafant station everyday, on the Paris Gare de Lyon-Figueres Vilafant TGV services...
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The Basque "Y".

Ahead, to Vitoria (and Madrid or Barcelona or elsewehere in Spain).
The main double-track viaduct and tunnel is the one to Bilbao.
The two side single-track viaducts and (not visible on the pic) tunnels are the ones for San Sebastian-Donostia and Hendaye (and Paris and elsewhere in France).

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Whenever I see a HSR on that stage (asphalt) I cannot help myself but thin how cool it would be if they build not only a HSR but also a highway right next to it
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Whenever I see a HSR on that stage (asphalt) I cannot help myself but thin how cool it would be if they build not only a HSR but also a highway right next to it


Only you could say that.

Thatīd be a bit too much, wouldnīt it?

Look at the landscape.
One HSL is enough of a scar. A motorway next to it would be just too much.
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It is not feasible, indeed, as it would be immensely expensive (especially long road tunnels that require ventilation and fire prevention). Yet an interesting thought exercise.

Are there any plans to build a HSR to Andorra from Girona?
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