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maño! · November 21st, 2008, 12:40 PM

la estacion se está reconvirtiendo para albergar un hotel de lujo y es realmente impresionante...
y no hay en las fotos lado frances....todo eso esta en territorio español lo que pasa es que en algunas fotos ya esta tapada la estacion con andamios por el proceso de restauracion y parece otro sitio...

lo mas importante es que la estacion se dignificara todo lo que se merece y ya se han dado pasos desde los gobiernos frances y aragones para poner de nuevo en funcionamiento el paso transfronterizo por el tunel del somport y esta estacion

lo sinto...pero el ingles lo suelo entender...pero escribirlo a mi se me da fatal...

arriaca · November 21st, 2008, 02:33 PM

Ok, I wrote "side french", I tried to say the zone with UIC gauge, when the French trains arrived.

sdf11 · December 11th, 2008, 07:03 PM

Some videos of the different kinds of trains in Spain!!

I'll start with Talgo trainsets!! maybe the most famous spanish trains...

Talgo III...This is the Talgo "Miguel de Unamuno"...it runs between Barcelona Sants to Salamanca, Irun and Bilbao...Now runs with the Serie 252 loco at 160kmh apx!

Here, with the 269 loco!

And here with the new diesel loco, serie 334!

sdf11 · December 11th, 2008, 07:17 PM

Now, some videos of the Talgo IV...now its replacing some services of the serie III...and also have been replaced by modern trains in other routes...

This video is taked at Pinar de Antequera, near Valladolid, this train did Alicante-Santander service, now a Renfe S130 do this travel!

Another leaving Medina station...

sdf11 · December 11th, 2008, 07:38 PM

The Talgo VI, is for me one of the best looking trains in Spain...and maybe the best looking talgos, for me...above the "TrenHotel" with Talgo VI cars...that's beautiful!!

Talgo VI "Marenostrum" from Cartagena to Montpellier (france)...near Barcelona!

Talgo VI "Garcia Lorca" from Lorca to Barcelona near Valencia!

Now its turn for the nice trainhotel!!

Trainhotel "Francisco de Goya" Madrid-Paris - Talgo VI

Trainhotel "Joan Miró" Barcelona-Paris - Talgo VI

Trainhotel A Coruña-Madrid!

Trainhotel "Lusitania" Madrid-Lisboa with the new deliverie for a Talgo VI!

Trainhotel "Antonio Machado" Barcelona-Granada/Malaga!

Bitxofo · December 13th, 2008, 03:24 AM

Canfranc station is absolutely stunning!!

arriaca · December 14th, 2008, 03:10 PM

Thanks sdf11

Cicerón · December 15th, 2008, 04:31 PM

Yesterday the last train crossed the city of Burgos. The tracks were there since 1862 , with the trains disturbing the neighbours. A new bypass north of the city was opened. This is how the people celebrated (Yes, we celebrate everything in Spain

).

sdf11 · December 17th, 2008, 12:05 AM

jajajajaa!!! Nice videos Ciceron!!! some photos about the new AVE/Conventional Trains Burgos station!! I think that it is very nice!!

sdf11 · December 17th, 2008, 12:17 AM

One of the Barcelona arrivals...nice foto of Sanlucar-Playa

Chafford1 · December 31st, 2008, 05:24 PM

Are the Velaros now running at 350km/h on the Madrid - Barcelona line??

gincan · December 31st, 2008, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chafford1

Are the Velaros now running at 350km/h on the Madrid - Barcelona line??

No, they have yet to install ERTMS level 2. The only line in Spain that is authorized for 350km/h service is Madrid-Valladolid, although no timetabled service exceed 300km/h yet.

hans280 · December 31st, 2008, 07:35 PM

Yeah, that makes sense: the line to Valladolid is - until one day it is prolonged toward Galicia, the Basque Country and so on - not long enough to make it worth their while to raise the speed. How much difference would 350 km/h instead of 300 km/h make? You could probably count the minutes saved on one hand.

test0012 · December 31st, 2008, 10:08 PM

The Chinese CRH3 [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRH3 ] is a wider version of Velaro. Both CRH2 (based on Japanese Shinkansen) and CRH3 (based on German ICE) serve the Beijing-Tianjin line [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing...Intercity_Rail ]. 14 trainset are serving the line presently (CRH2-061C to -066C, CRH3-001C, 002A, 004A, 005C, 006C, and recently 007C and 008C) The line was opened on August 1. They claimed its operational speed is 350 km/h, and I saw it ran at up to 352 km/h on the first ten days. According to my GPS, it started to slow down to a maximum speed of 340 km/h from August 11, and now seems at a maximum speed of 335 km/h. I take this train almost every day and have about one hundred GPS records. I can post them somewhere if anyone is interested in the records.

(They line was suffered from a bad snow in mid-December, and trains slowed down to 290 km/h on the following two days, but trains were only 2 minutes late, so 300 km/h or 350 km/h seems make very little difference in travel time)

AdamChobits · January 1st, 2009, 03:18 AM

Interesting.

By the way, what a nice pics in this thread

SimFox · January 1st, 2009, 07:45 AM

I've been few times on the Tianjin-Beijin line and personally noticed top speed (on teh display in the trains (both Velaro CN and Kawasaki) of 349 km/h.
One thing you have to take into consideration is that during morning rush hour the interval between trains running at such a brake neck speed could be as short as 6 minutes!!!
All-in-all Beijing-Tianjin line is currently fastest in the world. At this speed ride is extremely smooth and quiet. Much more so than Maglev one in Shanghai.
Comparing two I see the reason why highspeed line between Beijing and Shanghai at teh end had been built with conventional rail technology.

antovador · January 2nd, 2009, 09:53 PM

So ERTMS II not started yet but slowly they already prepare to upgrade to 380 kmh with the future Talgo AVRIL.

http://www.altavelocidad.org/tecnica...se-llama-avril
in spanish
http://www.elperiodico.com/EDICION/E...F/g024mR99.PDF

Look for more sources to see veracity
Wait and see

Federicoft · January 3rd, 2009, 01:08 AM

380 kmh is impressive, but given that aerodynamic drag and energy consumption are proportional to square of speed I wonder if that would be profitable.

sotavento · January 3rd, 2009, 04:25 AM

1- In china they seem to use both the german and the japanese concrete trackbed systems

2- Renfe doesn't need to rush the operations at 350km/h precisely because of the same question that the chinese are facing ... go too fast all the way and you have a great time to "kill" at the end of the journey.

hans280 · January 3rd, 2009, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Federicoft

380 kmh is impressive, but given that aerodynamic drag and energy consumption are proportional to square of speed I wonder if that would be profitable.

My thought exactly. 350 km/h is already stretching it: by raising the speed from 300 to 350 km/h you increase energy consumption by about a third. I have the impression that these increases in top speed are largely pending technological advances. By this I mean, whenever the development of new materials, etc. would allow, in principle, a lowering of the energy consumption the HS operators jump on the opportunity to raise the top speed instead.

November 21st, 2008, 02:33 PM	#122
arriaca Caminante no hay camino.. Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,836 Likes (Received): 35	Ok, I wrote "side french", I tried to say the zone with UIC gauge, when the French trains arrived. __________________ El Toro de la Vega - Fiesta de Interés Turístico de España Fiesta de los Toros - Bien de Interés Cultural

December 11th, 2008, 07:03 PM	#123
sdf11 ------------------------- Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: BCN--Vielha(val d'aran) Posts: 498 Likes (Received): 0	Some videos of the different kinds of trains in Spain!! I'll start with Talgo trainsets!! maybe the most famous spanish trains... Talgo III...This is the Talgo "Miguel de Unamuno"...it runs between Barcelona Sants to Salamanca, Irun and Bilbao...Now runs with the Serie 252 loco at 160kmh apx! Here, with the 269 loco! And here with the new diesel loco, serie 334! __________________ *Visita Urbanity el nuevo foro de urbanismo...* Mi Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/raul_salinas_photography/

December 11th, 2008, 07:17 PM	#124
sdf11 ------------------------- Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: BCN--Vielha(val d'aran) Posts: 498 Likes (Received): 0	Now, some videos of the Talgo IV...now its replacing some services of the serie III...and also have been replaced by modern trains in other routes... This video is taked at Pinar de Antequera, near Valladolid, this train did Alicante-Santander service, now a Renfe S130 do this travel! Another leaving Medina station... __________________ *Visita Urbanity el nuevo foro de urbanismo...* Mi Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/raul_salinas_photography/

December 11th, 2008, 07:38 PM	#125
sdf11 ------------------------- Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: BCN--Vielha(val d'aran) Posts: 498 Likes (Received): 0	The Talgo VI, is for me one of the best looking trains in Spain...and maybe the best looking talgos, for me...above the "TrenHotel" with Talgo VI cars...that's beautiful!! Talgo VI "Marenostrum" from Cartagena to Montpellier (france)...near Barcelona! Talgo VI "Garcia Lorca" from Lorca to Barcelona near Valencia! Now its turn for the nice trainhotel!! Trainhotel "Francisco de Goya" Madrid-Paris - Talgo VI Trainhotel "Joan Miró" Barcelona-Paris - Talgo VI Trainhotel A Coruña-Madrid! Trainhotel "Lusitania" Madrid-Lisboa with the new deliverie for a Talgo VI! Trainhotel "Antonio Machado" Barcelona-Granada/Malaga! __________________ *Visita Urbanity el nuevo foro de urbanismo...* Mi Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/raul_salinas_photography/

December 14th, 2008, 03:10 PM	#127
arriaca Caminante no hay camino.. Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,836 Likes (Received): 35	Thanks sdf11 __________________ El Toro de la Vega - Fiesta de Interés Turístico de España Fiesta de los Toros - Bien de Interés Cultural

November 21st, 2008, 12:40 PM	#121
maño! Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,216 Likes (Received): 5	la estacion se está reconvirtiendo para albergar un hotel de lujo y es realmente impresionante... y no hay en las fotos lado frances....todo eso esta en territorio español lo que pasa es que en algunas fotos ya esta tapada la estacion con andamios por el proceso de restauracion y parece otro sitio... lo mas importante es que la estacion se dignificara todo lo que se merece y ya se han dado pasos desde los gobiernos frances y aragones para poner de nuevo en funcionamiento el paso transfronterizo por el tunel del somport y esta estacion lo sinto...pero el ingles lo suelo entender...pero escribirlo a mi se me da fatal...

December 13th, 2008, 03:24 AM	#126
Bitxofo BANNED Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Alderaan BCN BKK ATH PAR LON SYD SFO CPT TYO SCL CHC BUE SCG SVQ AGP BDN Posts: 34,113 Likes (Received): 0	Canfranc station is absolutely stunning!!

December 15th, 2008, 04:31 PM	#128
Cicerón Espere verde Join Date: May 2006 Location: En el obscuro jardín del manicomio Posts: 3,856 Likes (Received): 2	Yesterday the last train crossed the city of Burgos. The tracks were there since 1862 , with the trains disturbing the neighbours. A new bypass north of the city was opened. This is how the people celebrated (Yes, we celebrate everything in Spain ).

December 17th, 2008, 12:05 AM	#129
sdf11 ------------------------- Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: BCN--Vielha(val d'aran) Posts: 498 Likes (Received): 0	jajajajaa!!! Nice videos Ciceron!!! some photos about the new AVE/Conventional Trains Burgos station!! I think that it is very nice!! __________________ *Visita Urbanity el nuevo foro de urbanismo...* Mi Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/raul_salinas_photography/

December 17th, 2008, 12:17 AM	#130
sdf11 ------------------------- Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: BCN--Vielha(val d'aran) Posts: 498 Likes (Received): 0	One of the Barcelona arrivals...nice foto of Sanlucar-Playa __________________ *Visita Urbanity el nuevo foro de urbanismo...* Mi Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/raul_salinas_photography/

December 31st, 2008, 05:24 PM	#131
Chafford1 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 130 Likes (Received): 0	Are the Velaros now running at 350km/h on the Madrid - Barcelona line??

December 31st, 2008, 07:35 PM	#133
hans280 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Paris Posts: 497 Likes (Received): 4	Yeah, that makes sense: the line to Valladolid is - until one day it is prolonged toward Galicia, the Basque Country and so on - not long enough to make it worth their while to raise the speed. How much difference would 350 km/h instead of 300 km/h make? You could probably count the minutes saved on one hand.

December 31st, 2008, 10:08 PM	#134
test0012 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 15 Likes (Received): 0	The Chinese CRH3 [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRH3 ] is a wider version of Velaro. Both CRH2 (based on Japanese Shinkansen) and CRH3 (based on German ICE) serve the Beijing-Tianjin line [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing...Intercity_Rail ]. 14 trainset are serving the line presently (CRH2-061C to -066C, CRH3-001C, 002A, 004A, 005C, 006C, and recently 007C and 008C) The line was opened on August 1. They claimed its operational speed is 350 km/h, and I saw it ran at up to 352 km/h on the first ten days. According to my GPS, it started to slow down to a maximum speed of 340 km/h from August 11, and now seems at a maximum speed of 335 km/h. I take this train almost every day and have about one hundred GPS records. I can post them somewhere if anyone is interested in the records. (They line was suffered from a bad snow in mid-December, and trains slowed down to 290 km/h on the following two days, but trains were only 2 minutes late, so 300 km/h or 350 km/h seems make very little difference in travel time)

January 1st, 2009, 03:18 AM	#135
AdamChobits ♥사랑해요♥ Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 767 Likes (Received): 0	Interesting. By the way, what a nice pics in this thread

January 1st, 2009, 07:45 AM	#136
SimFox Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,619 Likes (Received): 5	I've been few times on the Tianjin-Beijin line and personally noticed top speed (on teh display in the trains (both Velaro CN and Kawasaki) of 349 km/h. One thing you have to take into consideration is that during morning rush hour the interval between trains running at such a brake neck speed could be as short as 6 minutes!!! All-in-all Beijing-Tianjin line is currently fastest in the world. At this speed ride is extremely smooth and quiet. Much more so than Maglev one in Shanghai. Comparing two I see the reason why highspeed line between Beijing and Shanghai at teh end had been built with conventional rail technology.

January 2nd, 2009, 09:53 PM	#137
antovador space wanderer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Trantor Posts: 1,020 Likes (Received): 2	So ERTMS II not started yet but slowly they already prepare to upgrade to 380 kmh with the future Talgo AVRIL. http://www.altavelocidad.org/tecnica...se-llama-avril in spanish http://www.elperiodico.com/EDICION/E...F/g024mR99.PDF Look for more sources to see veracity Wait and see __________________ Como la leyenda del fénix, todo termina con comienzos Like the legend of the phoenix, all ends with beginnings

January 3rd, 2009, 01:08 AM	#138
Federicoft L'importante è la salute Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 10,432 Likes (Received): 424	380 kmh is impressive, but given that aerodynamic drag and energy consumption are proportional to square of speed I wonder if that would be profitable.

January 3rd, 2009, 04:25 AM	#139
sotavento Registered user Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,339 Likes (Received): 15	1- In china they seem to use both the german and the japanese concrete trackbed systems 2- Renfe doesn't need to rush the operations at 350km/h precisely because of the same question that the chinese are facing ... go too fast all the way and you have a great time to "kill" at the end of the journey. __________________ "Embora tambem acontecesse noutras datas , as visitas às igrejas durante a semana santa faziam , num só dia , mais cornudos do que a na vida habitual durante todo o ano." Charles Fréderic de Merveilleux , 1726 in Memórias de Portugal. "os únicos que ainda são capazes de resistir ao FMI são as empregadas de hotel" Anónimo

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