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Old July 21st, 2013, 05:59 PM   #1401
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In fact it's even more complicated than that...

Euskadi is a rich autonomy and has a special budget (it's the most autonomous region in Spain).

They manage almost everything within their region... they collect all the taxes (in the rest of Spain, with the exception of Navarra, the central government collects most taxes and then it distributes them) and they pay a quota to the central government for the provided services (security, embassies, airports, railways, etc...).

That is sometimes a reason for confrontation because they pay much less for solidarity than the other rich regions of Spain (like Madrid or Catalonia) and therefore they have lower taxes (being called by some people as unfair competition) but that's another topic...

There was an agreement between the Central Government and the Basque Government in 2006 regarding the new high speed lines (the Basque Y), as it was a huge investment for the central government (almost unaffordable in the short term), the Basque government is responsible of building some stretches, but as it's a responsability of the central government, those construction costs are deducted from their quota.

I agree with alserrod... the Spanish administration is hard to understand (even for some Spaniards)... that's because Spain is de facto an asymmetric federation.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 09:46 PM   #1402
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Nevertheless.... to make it easier... all HSL in Spain are built and managed by Spanish government, never mind where it is, so it doesn't matter the situation of a region.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 07:19 AM   #1403
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The economic situation of a region obviously does matter. If you build a new HS: train station for example it's part of a masterplan. The station does not stand on its own. For everything around the station the economic situation of the region and city are key.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 04:53 PM   #1404
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The economic situation of a region obviously does matter. If you build a new HS: train station for example it's part of a masterplan. The station does not stand on its own. For everything around the station the economic situation of the region and city are key.
It depends on what you´re talking about.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 12:06 AM   #1405
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According to some forumer, mono-block sleepers are being sent to the Olmedo-Zamora stretch of the Madrid-Galicia HSL. If confirmed, that´s excellent news.
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Old July 24th, 2013, 10:42 PM   #1406
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Accident!!

An Alvia Madrid-Ferrol (a class S-730) has derailed shortly before entering Santiago de Compostela station.

10 dead, it seems. That´s all I know for now.

We don´t know why, and it is a strange place to derail. More info as soon as we have it.

Honest, this hasn´t been a good month for railways: Lac-Mégantic, Brétigny sur Orge, now Santiago de Compostela.

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Old July 24th, 2013, 11:08 PM   #1407
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This is a coach, the railway is behind the fence, in a cutting.

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Old July 24th, 2013, 11:19 PM   #1408
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This changes everything.
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Old July 24th, 2013, 11:20 PM   #1409
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Bad news R.I.P to those people
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Old July 24th, 2013, 11:21 PM   #1410
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Horrible. My thoughts go out to the victims and their relatives.
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Old July 24th, 2013, 11:27 PM   #1411
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20 dead for now.
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Old July 24th, 2013, 11:28 PM   #1412
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Old July 24th, 2013, 11:30 PM   #1413
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Old July 24th, 2013, 11:31 PM   #1414
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For what we know now, the accident has happened right before the point where the HSL joins the classic line.

At this point, the Alvia should NOT be running at a high speed at all (suffices to look at the pictures to realise).
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Old July 24th, 2013, 11:37 PM   #1416
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The train was running on the track at the left of the pic.

It was an Alvia service coming from Madrid, and it was bound for Ferrol, this has happened just a few minutes (less than five) before calling at Santiago de Compostela station.

Santiago de Compostela is located in Galicia (NW Spain).
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Old July 24th, 2013, 11:41 PM   #1417
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Were those high-speed tracks?
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Several killed in Spanish train derailment

http://www.france24.com/en/20130724-...sh-train-crash
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Old July 24th, 2013, 11:44 PM   #1419
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Were those high-speed tracks?
Yes. But obviously, the speed at the point should not surpass 200 in any case at all. That´s the approach of the junction with the classic line and Santiago de Compostela station (an important one, it is the regional capital of Galicia).
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God... at least 35 killed.
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