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Old July 24th, 2013, 11:51 PM   #1421
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Let me make sure I understand this:

The Alvia train is designed to run on both high-speed and conventional tracks. It looks like just to the southwest of the SdC railway station there is a place where the conventional tracks merge into the high-speed tracks, close to the Santiago de Cuba Avenue overpass. The accident happened just past there and a few hundred meters before the SdC railway station. The train was in the easternmost track, which means it merged from the conventional tracks onto the high-speed tracks? At that point the train should be slowing down if it is scheduled to stop at SdC. What could have happened?
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Old July 24th, 2013, 11:58 PM   #1422
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location:
https://maps.google.com/?ll=42.86478...04013&t=h&z=17


this is ****ed up, especially because from both directions several sharp bends precede this particular one so it couldn't have been traveling that fast, otherwise it would have derailed earlier

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I was completely wrong, seems like this is the location:
map: https://maps.google.com/?ll=42.85971...07628&t=h&z=17
street view: https://maps.google.com/?ll=42.85966...42.86,,0,15.41


looks like directly at the END of the HSL straight out of the tunnel and into the bend/bridge

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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:03 AM   #1423
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:08 AM   #1424
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this is ****ed up, especially because from both directions several sharp bends precede this particular one so it couldn't have been traveling that fast, otherwise it would have derailed earlier
It is not there.

It is here (red circle, the red arrow shows the place it came from):

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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:10 AM   #1425
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Google really needs to update its satellite imagery for this part of Spain. Bing is way ahead.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:13 AM   #1426
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It is not there.

It is here (red circle, the red arrow shows the place it came from):
yes, thank you, managed to figure it out based on the bridge pylons
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:17 AM   #1427
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Live streaming from TVE: http://www.rtve.es/noticias/directo/canal-24h/

35 dead and 200 injured (some critical). The train was packed. 4 km before Santiago station.

It´s the worst train accident in Spain that I can remember.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:17 AM   #1428
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Let me make sure I understand this:

The Alvia train is designed to run on both high-speed and conventional tracks. It looks like just to the southwest of the SdC railway station there is a place where the conventional tracks merge into the high-speed tracks, close to the Santiago de Cuba Avenue overpass. The accident happened just past there and a few hundred meters before the SdC railway station. The train was in the easternmost track, which means it merged from the conventional tracks onto the high-speed tracks? At that point the train should be slowing down if it is scheduled to stop at SdC. What could have happened?
Some of the survivors talk about a huge explosion before the train blew up, because actually one of the wagons exploded 15 meters away from the track.... strange.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:20 AM   #1429
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It´s the worst train accident in Spain that I can remember.
In 2006 a metro train in Valencia derailed, killing 43.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:21 AM   #1430
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The bend was limited to 80 km/h.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:22 AM   #1431
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Some of the survivors talk about a huge explosion before the train blew up, because actually one of the wagons exploded 15 meters away from the track.... strange.
Because it was a 730, a hybrid, the back engine caught fire, there might have been a small explosion.

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In 2006 a metro train in Valencia derailed, killing 43.
Oh god, it´s true. Nerves.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:26 AM   #1432
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is the speed entirely up to the driver? what happens if a driver gets a heart attack on a HSL? doesn't the train know to slow down before such bends no matter what?
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:29 AM   #1433
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What is this wagon doing up here??

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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:29 AM   #1434
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The regular track scene here, from 31:00 onwards:

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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:30 AM   #1435
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What is this track doing up here??

That is not a track. The cabin landed there.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:32 AM   #1436
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How did that get up there?

It looks like something out of a Keanu Reeves movie.

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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:33 AM   #1437
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That is not a track. The cabin landed there.
Sorry, wagon.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:36 AM   #1438
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Oh my gosh, RIP to the victims Why are there so many dead? the talgo coaches seem to have withstood the crash pretty well Everytime something like this occurs, I can't help but put myself in that situation of being totally impotent... you're just travelling comfortably when suddenly...
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:38 AM   #1439
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Sad news, RIP to all victims In the news they're saying that the accident was in a tricky curve..

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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:40 AM   #1440
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The regular track scene here, from 31:00 onwards:

ERTMS level II?
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