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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:43 AM   #1441
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ERTMS level II?
ERTMS level 1

The accident happened in the union of the new HSL route and the historic route. Actually on the historic route. (new tracks in both)
Now it's thought there has been an human mistake, the speed limit is 80 km/h, probably the train was going at 180 km/h
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:43 AM   #1442
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is the speed entirely up to the driver? what happens if a driver gets a heart attack on a HSL? doesn't the train know to slow down before such bends no matter what?
We don´t know yet. The sector was under the ERTMS-level 1 system.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:44 AM   #1443
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What is this wagon doing up here??

Excessive speed is a possibility. But we don´t know, so let´s allow the enquiry go ahead and we´ll all know.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:47 AM   #1444
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Sad news, RIP to all victims It the news they're saying that the accident was in a tricky curve..
It was just the end of the HSL. The point right before it connects with the classic line.

The trains should NOT run faster than 80 km/h at that point.

On the pic just above this post , the track on the left is the classic line, the two on the right are the HSL.

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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:50 AM   #1445
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Oh my gosh, RIP to the victims Why are there so many dead? the talgo coaches seem to have withstood the crash pretty well
Take a careful look at the pic posted by Zazo, there is a SECTION of a car under the bridge. It was a very violent crash, in such a case injuries cannot be other than serious. I feel for the poor people there.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:51 AM   #1446
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The catenary posts might have been murderous in this case.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:51 AM   #1447
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According the latest journals there are 35 dead. My god!
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:55 AM   #1448
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Inside the train there were 218 passengers plus the staff.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:55 AM   #1449
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I'm watching TVE International, which is live covering the sad event, and if I understand it well the experts have already dismissed the hypothesis of an explosion
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:57 AM   #1450
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working hypothesis is accident, according to government officials cited by Reuters

http://www.trust.org/item/20130724215042-vz4yt
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Old July 25th, 2013, 01:00 AM   #1451
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It was just the end of the HSL. The point right before it connects with the classic line.

The trains should NOT run faster than 80 km/h at that point.

On the pic just above this post , the track on the left is the classic line, the two on the right are the HSL.
Ingineers think the train exceeded in 100 km/h the speed limit: 180 km/h instead 80 km/h.
Some mistake happened in the train, the security system or the driver...

http://politica.elpais.com/politica/...32_356780.html
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Old July 25th, 2013, 01:01 AM   #1452
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Other rumours about a disfunctional axle-interlock (this train is capable to run on both normal gauge and the old Spanian gauge.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 01:02 AM   #1453
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37 dead.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 01:03 AM   #1454
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Ingineers think the train exceeded in 100 km/h the speed limit: 180 km/h instead 80 km/h.
Some mistake happened in the train, the security system or the driver...
Your source, please, zazo?

And no, I wouldn´t like to be in the mind of the Alvia driver. In the slightest.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 01:05 AM   #1455
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I'm watching TVE International, which is live covering the sad event, and if I understand it well the experts have already dismissed the hypothesis of an explosion
Correct, the sources who told about an explosion were probably neighbours, obviously unfamiliar with such accidents.
Such an impact sounds like an explosion.

I witnessed the Torredembarra rail crash (an S-101 Euromed crashed against an S-448 regional right opposite what was then my home), and at first we thought it was an ETA bomb attack, it sounds like an explosion, I assure you. It´s very frightening.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 01:06 AM   #1456
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And no, I wouldn´t like to be in the mind of the Alvia driver. In the slightest.
Is he alive? I would be surprised if it really did derail at 180 km/h
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Old July 25th, 2013, 01:06 AM   #1457
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Your source, please, zazo?

And no, I wouldn´t like to be in the mind of the Alvia driver. In the slightest.
He has just told (as you can see in the link) that the train was going at 250 km/h in the last bend before the accident.
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Is he alive? I would be surprised if it really did derail at 180 km/h
you think it would have stayed on the 80kph tracks at 180kph?
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you think it would have stayed on the 80kph tracks at 180kph?
As long as the tracks are straight, probably yes. It goes wrong when taking curves...
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Old July 25th, 2013, 01:11 AM   #1460
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45 dead and counting.

The worst that I can remember, worse than Valencia.

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