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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:38 PM   #1521
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Two drivers? Are you sure?
No. In many countries there were 2 drivers, but it's being reduced as a rule.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:47 PM   #1522
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In my country (the Netherlands), usually I see only 1 driver. The same goes for Belgium, Germany and the UK. However, if ABC.es is right there were indeed two drivers on board of this Alvia...
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Old July 25th, 2013, 01:03 PM   #1523
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As the driver of the train was calling out in panic just after the rail crash: ¡Somos humanos, somos humanos! (which translates to: we're (only) human). Everywhere where humans are involved, mistakes are bound to be made. Usually, they won't end in disaster like this one, but once in a while we run out of luck and get killed by human error.
And as usual, a fatal error like this one was preceded by various non-fatal errors in the past. I can understand the reasoning behind hooking up a new high speed line to an existing line with a tight curve radius. What I don't understand is why that specific curve wasn't equipped with ETCS rightaway. This driver error and accident would probably have been prevented with ETCS installed.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 01:22 PM   #1524
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What I don't understand is why that specific curve wasn't equipped with ETCS rightaway.
All I can think of is that applying dual-signalling on that section of track was deemed too complex (and thus costly).
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Old July 25th, 2013, 01:52 PM   #1525
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Old July 25th, 2013, 02:17 PM   #1526
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The following link is from a security camera at the crash site. It shows the point when the train leaves the rails but is cut short when the drivers cabin/engine hits the camera's stand.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkQ71CI5s9w
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Old July 25th, 2013, 02:24 PM   #1527
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Vid seems to be taken offline...
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Old July 25th, 2013, 02:27 PM   #1528
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AFAIK there were two drivers because there is a change in the sense of the train in that route
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Old July 25th, 2013, 02:31 PM   #1529
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The following link is from a security camera at the crash site. It shows the point when the train leaves the rails but is cut short when the drivers cabin/engine hits the camera's stand.

RIP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkQ71CI5s9w
It clearly seems to be a consequence of the high speed from the train. It shows the carriage just behind the loco, which if I'm not wrong hosts the added diesel-powered engine, levitating and consequently derailing the whole set.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 02:37 PM   #1530
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In my country (the Netherlands), usually I see only 1 driver. The same goes for Belgium, Germany and the UK. However, if ABC.es is right there were indeed two drivers on board of this Alvia...
It's a 8 hours train, so it's normal to have two drivers.
The video of the accident, entering the bend at 190 kph (official)


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Old July 25th, 2013, 02:51 PM   #1531
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It's seen even on this video the train was running too fast.
So the driver(s) survived?

R.I.P.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 02:56 PM   #1532
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Terrible and strange accident. This trains have the newest technology and security.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 02:59 PM   #1533
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Terrible and strange accident. This trains have the newest technology and security.
Not that curve, ERTMS ends just before it.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 03:01 PM   #1534
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Which apparently should not.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 03:02 PM   #1535
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As the driver of the train was calling out in panic just after the rail crash: ¡Somos humanos, somos humanos! (which translates to: we're (only) human). Everywhere where humans are involved, mistakes are bound to be made. Usually, they won't end in disaster like this one, but once in a while we run out of luck and get killed by human error.
And as usual, a fatal error like this one was preceded by various non-fatal errors in the past. I can understand the reasoning behind hooking up a new high speed line to an existing line with a tight curve radius. What I don't understand is why that specific curve wasn't equipped with ETCS rightaway. This driver error and accident would probably have been prevented with ETCS installed.
I don´t know how accurate is what I´m going to say, but some Spanish forumer said that it was to be equipped with the ERTMS/ETCS-1 soon, as it wasn´t because very close from there is the junction between the Coruña and Vigo branches of the HSL, and the Vigo branch is still in works.

Very close from the site of the accident there´s the start of the by-pass that will allow high-speed trains to run to Vigo without calling at Santiago. Maybe this is the reason why ERTMS-ETCS-1 wasn´t still installed in that sector.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 03:04 PM   #1536
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It's a 8 hours train, so it's normal to have two drivers.
The video of the accident, entering the bend at 190 kph (official)




It was running much too fast!!!

The drivers will have to explain.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 03:05 PM   #1537
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So the driver(s) survived?
Yes.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 03:09 PM   #1538
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80 dead now? Can anyone confirm?

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Old July 25th, 2013, 03:23 PM   #1539
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Official: the driver will have to declare in Court.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 03:35 PM   #1540
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It's a 8 hours train, so it's normal to have two drivers.
The video of the accident, entering the bend at 190 kph (official)


is it me, or does it seem that the rear power unit pushed the cars of the track, witch seemed to stay intact for the first seconds...
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