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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:41 AM   #1841
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alserrod: Thank You, and please keep us informed of Spanish thread.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:43 AM   #1842
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Fresh news!!!

It is known that in the moment of the accident, driver was talking with the lane management control site.
Several minutes he received a call in his business mobile from a Renfe officer and later, several noises like checking papers are heard.

This audio is recorded and now kept by the judge who has acknoledgement of all the data since today


It is absolutely forbidden to use a mobile if only one driver and train running.
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Then RENFE should not have called him while the train was still running...
Interestingly, the train was running 3-5 minute late. At the time of the call, the train should have been at the station ( or on the ~60 km/h speed limit section).
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:46 AM   #1843
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I'm confused by some of the recent media reports. Basically there are TWO stories out there now:

1. While the driver was on the phone, train speed was 153 km/h, and then moments later right before the train derailed it was about 192 km/h.

2. While the driver was on the phone, train speed was 192 km/h, and then moments later right before the train derailed it was about 153 km/h.


Which one is it?
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:47 AM   #1844
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Interestingly, the train was running 3-5 minute late. At the time of the call, the train should have been at the station ( or on the ~60 km/h speed limit section).
Yeah I was considering the same thing:

What was supposed to be the time of arrival, and what was the time of the accident?
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:53 AM   #1845
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alserrod: Thank You, and please keep us informed of Spanish thread.
I'll do my best but with the mobile and several threads to check is not easy at all. But while here we have a couple of new messages there we have a couple of new pages... Fortunately almost all do not require moderation, but it is not easy at all....

Btw, with the prime minister to face everybody because corruption I do not expect news until weekend but all can happen. I'll make a sum up

Anyway, El Pais newspaper has a briefly English section and today they translated something. You can follow it
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:57 AM   #1846
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Still premature. It'd be informative knowing which Renfe division placed the call.

I still think the driver made his admission under duress.

BBC's report puts it this way:
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2. While the driver was on the phone, train speed was 192 km/h, and then moments later right before the train derailed it was about 153 km/h.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 01:06 AM   #1847
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I would say second option. I've found this news. Not in English but I do not have here my laptop. A translator should be enough but do not hesitate to ask for any detail you do not understand.

It is a quite revealing news. Maybe most of our questions are solved there

"El maquinista hablaba por teléfono con Renfe cuando descarriló" http://feedly.com/k/16zRuJy
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Old July 31st, 2013, 01:14 AM   #1848
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Funny, now if I call someone and this person slips on a banana, im the guilty

If he knew that it was forbidden, then in the 1st instance he must not to pick up the phone...

192kmh before derail, 153kmh at the instant of derailment, thats the official version.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 01:27 AM   #1849
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@alserrod - can you link to the Spanish thread?
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Old July 31st, 2013, 02:04 AM   #1850
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@alserrod - can you link to the Spanish thread?
I cannot with the app but follow this:

Euroscrapers - Spain - Infraestructuras - ferrocarriles


And a thread called something like

Varios | Accidentes ferroviarios ***Accidente Alvia en Santiago***

(writen by heart, expect not be wrong with the route)
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Old July 31st, 2013, 02:08 AM   #1851
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Another matter of opinion talked in the Spanish thread.

Driver received call from a company officer several minutes before
Train had five minutes delay

In case of being on time, company officer call had been more or less in that curve.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 02:42 AM   #1852
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Doesn RENFE use cell phones in lieu of radio for regular communication with dispatcher?
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Old July 31st, 2013, 06:24 AM   #1853
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He used a corporate cell phone. He failed to tell the judge that he was making this call.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 06:38 AM   #1854
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It is absolutely forbidden to use a mobile if only one driver and train running.
RENFE has a ban on the use of mobile phones, but otoh allows trains to run at 200kph without a system that enforces speed limits in place...

This is getting strange...

(Most railways in europe are moving to GSM-R and are giving their drivers phones... I don't know of any bans on their usage with other companies)
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Old July 31st, 2013, 07:27 AM   #1855
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Oh? Which kind of network failure would still out-perform the other: Cellular or radio?
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Old July 31st, 2013, 08:45 AM   #1856
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(Most railways in europe are moving to GSM-R and are giving their drivers phones... I don't know of any bans on their usage with other companie)
In the Netherlands train drivers are allowed to use their company cell phone and/or GSM-R at any time, except while driving in sub 40 km/h areas, where the ATB-EG train control system offers no protection. At higher speeds the train is better protected by the ATB speed control. However ATB would still allow you to drive at 130 km/h in a 90 km/h section.

One of the functions of GSM-R is to replace radio. GSM-R network failures are very rare, also because the network was designed to be reliable. They have to be, because GSM-R is also used to transmit ETCS data between the train and the RBC. Most ETCS problems in the Netherlands for instance are caused by holes in the GSM-R coverages or GPRS modem problems on the train itself.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 08:51 AM   #1857
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Question, to all they know spanish infrastructure well. What the signs on the picture means please?



There is lot of varieties of the bottom sign alongside track, do we have some overiew, what they all means? Thanks...
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Old July 31st, 2013, 09:08 AM   #1858
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nice...........
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Old July 31st, 2013, 10:55 AM   #1859
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Doesn RENFE use cell phones in lieu of radio for regular communication with dispatcher?
According to a news.... It was out of service and required to use business mobiles...
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Old July 31st, 2013, 11:05 AM   #1860
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Last news!!!!!!

Call received some minutes ago from an officer was... An officer of a station to have a call about one hour later just to say how to operate there.

It is not extrictly forbidden to use mobiles if driving but must be used only if emergencies, according to renfe hand out.

But... If you receive a call from a number you do not know, how do you know if it is an emergency or not?


Driver stated at first that he didn't use the mobile and said to judge. Now (all was recorded.and known by judge) he states that he didn't want to involve any other one.
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