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Old August 1st, 2013, 02:05 PM   #1881
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How does ERTMS would kill passenger rail? They even have a "low budget" ERTMS-regional protocol for less trafficker railways.
Which are point-based (L1)? gor lines, that are already use continuous classic signalicg that would be regress.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 02:15 PM   #1882
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Call received about how to stop in a station wasn't made by renfe officers nor station personnel but.... From train supervisor (train conductor). He is alive and has recognised it.

That could be the reason why at first, driver declared he didn't use the mobile. Seems he wanted to help his colleague.

If someone search information in Spanish... Be awared that "Conductor" in Spanish doesn't mean the same word but "driver".
I read that it had to do with a relative of the supervisor... Some have the theory that this distracted the driver. He only had a short time to brake from that high speed.

The question is why the driver (and supervisor) withheld this information in front of the judge.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 02:45 PM   #1883
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Interestingly, the train was running 3-5 minute late. At the time of the call, the train should have been at the station ( or on the ~60 km/h speed limit section).
Actually, it was the ticket inspector that was travelling in the same train that called the driver:

http://www.euronews.com/2013/07/31/s...ket-inspector/

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Old August 1st, 2013, 03:07 PM   #1884
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Not a relative of supervisor but a family (several relatives, not related with supervisor)

A long time ago I was in a small regional train and approaching to an unrefurbished station, I heard the driver asking the supervisor about the wagon number where passengers for that station were sit. It was just to stop few mettres before or after and make them easier to get off the train.

To my best knowledgement in this accident, supervisor wanted to ask for the same but as well as it is not safe to go to driver's cabin and internal phone was off he used the mobile.


Why did he called for that while running (instead of at Santiago station with train stopped) and why they said not to have used mobiles is to be determined by judge.

About communications... Renfe should have to explain several things
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Old August 1st, 2013, 03:11 PM   #1885
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About 15 yrs ago a bus crashed in a dangerous curve near my city.
It was about 10 km/h overspeed and a lot of people dead there

Driver went to prison

Curve was refurbished before one year later.


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Not a relative of supervisor but a family (several relatives, not related with supervisor)

About communications... Renfe should have to explain several things
Thanks I misread the part about the "family".

Hasn't the driver committed an offense for not telling the judge about this call?
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Old August 1st, 2013, 04:13 PM   #1887
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Don't mention it. As said, some translation difficulties could be.

About what driver said... It would be judge decission to state if it was under shock or a wrong action.
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Hasn't the driver committed an offense for not telling the judge about this call?
I'm not sure, people has the right to not declare against themselves, if they didn't lied but ommited the information maybe it's not considered an offense.
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It could be that the driver didn't want to bring trouble upon the conductor, who acted out of good faith (helping out the family). It's the driver who is in contact with the signal box, not the conductor, so the driver would have to ask for a platform change. If he would call the signal box when the train was already in Santiago de Compostela, it would be too late.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 07:48 PM   #1890
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True. They are entitled to not declare anything either facing to the judge.

What I do not know is about if he said "no" or kept in silence.

I think he kept in silence facing the judge but I do not know with police officers.
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It could be that the driver didn't want to bring trouble upon the conductor, who acted out of good faith (helping out the family). It's the driver who is in contact with the signal box, not the conductor, so the driver would have to ask for a platform change. If he would call the signal box when the train was already in Santiago de Compostela, it would be too late.
I agree
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It could be that the driver didn't want to bring trouble upon the conductor, who acted out of good faith (helping out the family). It's the driver who is in contact with the signal box, not the conductor, so the driver would have to ask for a platform change. If he would call the signal box when the train was already in Santiago de Compostela, it would be too late.
I don´t think so. The family were getting out at Pontedeume (the stop just before Ferrol, the terminus), not at Santiago.

There were loads of time to phone control and make that family get out at the good platform at Pontedeume, and loads of time to phone the driver after the A Grandeira bend, or at Santiago (I wouldn´t have discarded a little race to cabin), or AFTER Santiago.

There was plenty of time to fix that Pontedeume problem.
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I don´t think so. The family were getting out at Pontedeume (the stop just before Ferrol, the terminus), not at Santiago.
Ah, didn't know that. It doesn't matter, either, it doesn't change what happened.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 10:36 PM   #1894
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I think that it doesn't matter if before or after Santiago. They could have had an accident later.

That call should have been done in any station with train stopped


What it might happen was that those passengers asked to supervisor when he was in their nearby and supervisor wanted to call asap to avoid forgetting it.
But it's only what I suposse...
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Old August 2nd, 2013, 01:25 AM   #1895
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I think that it doesn't matter if before or after Santiago. They could have had an accident later.

That call should have been done in any station with train stopped


What it might happen was that those passengers asked to supervisor when he was in their nearby and supervisor wanted to call asap to avoid forgetting it.
But it's only what I suposse...
That 'family business' call should not have been made at all!
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Old August 2nd, 2013, 03:43 AM   #1896
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it's a common practice for making train rides more confortable to handicap people (and that includes families taking care of multiple children).

Maybe they should think in another protocol for this issues...
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it's a common practice for making train rides more confortable to handicap people (and that includes families taking care of multiple children).

Maybe they should think in another protocol for this issues...
Which suggests that not all the platforms are 'barrier free' (at least not servicable) at a particular station.
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not necessary, I expressed that handicap is not only a person on a wheelchair but also eldery people who get tired when walking for long or families that have to take care of kids + baggage, or even baby carriages.

I think that most platforms are barrier free (even in small stations), but of course, a platform with direct access to the passenger's building is more confortable for everyone and even more for handicap people that would use instead multiple elevators (or looooong ramps) in the middle of a crowd. And that's why they try to do that in those kind of situations.

P.S. Although Pontedeume station doesn't seem very barrier free

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Old August 2nd, 2013, 11:11 AM   #1899
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Fresh news... And translated!!

First judge declarations

Let me know if link doesn't run

"Judge will not prosecute conductor who made call before crash" http://feedly.com/k/1cv1fNV
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True. They are entitled to not declare anything either facing to the judge.

What I do not know is about if he said "no" or kept in silence.

I think he kept in silence facing the judge but I do not know with police officers.
Not only that, but according to Spanish law, if you are indicted (and the driver was), you are entitled to lie if you want to. On the other hand, if you are just a witness, lying is an offense.

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