Future Surface Combatant

[hovis]

Why is the deck quilted...? :p

[BodgeJob1]

Worst water CG rendering.....ever.

Nice ship though..

[Dobbo]

From what i cantell there are two CAAM launchers. One behind the large silos and in front of the forward CIWS, and the other on the rear port side, just in front of the hangar.

Agree with the sentiments on the CIWS. Put a Goalkeeper at the front and two Pahalynx on the hangar...

Hopefully the larger VLS is planned as MK41 (or follow on...)

[AdmiralAnthony]

Originally Posted by Dobbo

From what i cantell there are two CAAM launchers. One behind the large silos and in front of the forward CIWS, and the other on the rear port side, just in front of the hangar.

Agree with the sentiments on the CIWS. Put a Goalkeeper at the front and two Pahalynx on the hangar...

Hopefully the larger VLS is planned as MK41 (or follow on...)

Not quite sure what you mean there or what you are lookin at. As far as i'm aware the CAAM VLS, has just one VLS silo shown, just behind the main gun at the front of the ship. It looks no major different to a VL Sea Wolf system. Not sure what you are looking at tbh.

And warships don't typically operate both phalanx and Goalkeeper. The newly upgraded/updated 30mm close-in guns are actually very good now, as the warships computer system can access them remotely and fire on targets without a gunner. That is a much better step. The 30mm guns also fire on aircraft, missiles, boats, floating mines and shore targets which i why i'd prefer these weapons to be fitted in a location to give them a greater arc of fire. Also so that both can fire on the same target. So a location of both on top of the hangar would be ideal.

[Dobbo]

Okay - i will try to explain where they are as i am not capable of producing a visual aid!

You see the large silos at the front of the ship - 16 in total - that are immediately behind the main gun. These are large silos of the type that could launch Aster 30, TacTom or SCALP for instance. They could of course quad pack certain missiles.

Immediately behind them, are a series of smaller openings/silos - roughly 13 are visible - and i understand these to be the CAAM system (which is effectivly bolted onto the deck).

The second series of silos are the equivalent tubes - 24 are there - on a block adjacent to the "rear" of the hangar (i.e. not the end that opens!).

I appreciate that this is not obviously what they are, however i have seen a similar image which points these out as such and there is no other explanation for what they are given the size of the CAAM missile and their portable nature.

[mic of Orion]

Originally Posted by madjackmcmad

VLS, Harpoon & Phalanx. How much of that will be fitted for but not with.

Is that a new pic from a recent press release Mic?

aha, Brazil is negotiating a deal for 3-4 type 26 frigates, a deal worth around 2 billion pounds.

Type 26 is set to cost in a region of 550 million pounds per ship.

[Manchester Planner]

So £1bn then in reality, bearing in mind (1) BAE Systems' greed and (2) the MoD's incompetence.

[mic of Orion]

Originally Posted by Manchester Planner

So £1bn then in reality, bearing in mind (1) BAE Systems' greed and (2) the MoD's incompetence.

you can say that again, Trinidad and Tobago just canceled 3 opv deal worth 450 million pounds after BEA Systems continually delayed the project and had massive cost overruns on first warship scheduled for delivery next year. I'm not surprised one bit tbh.

[Manchester Planner]

Oh right - what will happen to those OPVs then? (Assuming they've been built/partially built..?) An impromptu Fox-class?

[mic of Orion]

nope, nothing, BEA Systems is desperately trying to offload them to someone, first ship is about to be completed, but no interest for these ships anywhere. Jane's didn;t speculate about uk getting them, actually it thought these ships might be sold for next to northing unless buyer is found soon, BEA Systems tried to get some sort of compromise with the T&T Government but they told BEAS to piss off, and no money, serves them right if you ask me.

I think ships might be sold to Canada or New Zealand but it'll be a hard bargain.

ships in question, just that these aren't armed with ssm and aam, asw, only guns.

[mic of Orion]

although i like this concept too, its a small fac 70m, 570tons, around 80 million pounds per ship, crew of 40, range 1500nm, speed - 40knts.

[AdmiralAnthony]

Originally Posted by Dobbo

Okay - i will try to explain where they are as i am not capable of producing a visual aid!

You see the large silos at the front of the ship - 16 in total - that are immediately behind the main gun. These are large silos of the type that could launch Aster 30, TacTom or SCALP for instance. They could of course quad pack certain missiles.

Immediately behind them, are a series of smaller openings/silos - roughly 13 are visible - and i understand these to be the CAAM system (which is effectivly bolted onto the deck).

The second series of silos are the equivalent tubes - 24 are there - on a block adjacent to the "rear" of the hangar (i.e. not the end that opens!).

I appreciate that this is not obviously what they are, however i have seen a similar image which points these out as such and there is no other explanation for what they are given the size of the CAAM missile and their portable nature.

Aaah my bad, yeah i see them now. Think i need to go to specsavers! Are those actual CAAM VL systems though? Seem very small silo's. Wonder whether the UK will now opt to purchase and carry SCALP naval cruise missiles now that we have a defence deal with France? Seems more likely as we already use the Sylver VL system and can integrate the SCALP missiles more easily into a Type 45 for instance. Be interesting to know.

[AdmiralAnthony]

[QUOTE=mic of Orion;66885107]although i like this concept too, its a small fac 70m, 570tons, around 80 million pounds per ship, crew of 40, range 1500nm, speed - 40knts. QUOTE]

I'm not a fan of vessels like this. They're not very good in Ocean going conditions and since the UK will need to in certain instances move it's combat fleet to far flung area's of the globe, a ship suited to work in like the Baltic and Mediterranean (Greek and Swedish Navy type combat ships), i'd rather we just built standard cheaper patrol ships for the same size of ship. You can remove the excess missiles, torpedoes and SSM's at the rear and have a simple flight deck.

I prefer the River class over this type of vessel for a similar size of ship.

[mic of Orion]

yeah its geared for Greek, Croatian or Baltic navies, well BEAS hopes it can sell these, to unsuspecting victims

Croatia is looking for 2-5 large opvs or small 127m frigates, Baltic states are also looking at getting something along smaller opv or large fac and Greece is constantly looking for more arms innit

[Dobbo]

Originally Posted by AdmiralAnthony

Aaah my bad, yeah i see them now. Think i need to go to specsavers! Are those actual CAAM VL systems though? Seem very small silo's. Wonder whether the UK will now opt to purchase and carry SCALP naval cruise missiles now that we have a defence deal with France? Seems more likely as we already use the Sylver VL system and can integrate the SCALP missiles more easily into a Type 45 for instance. Be interesting to know.

CAAM is also replasing the Sidewinder/ASRAM missile (whichever they have) in the RAF so that may gie an idea of size. Only 20km range or so, and dry launched.

I would rather we went for TacTom given its capability but you could see a SCALP purchase. We seem caught in between EU and US systems right now.

[JackSwan]

ah, you mean a fudge. that doesn't sound like us.

[mic of Orion]

Originally Posted by Dobbo

CAAM is also replasing the Sidewinder/ASRAM missile (whichever they have) in the RAF so that may gie an idea of size. Only 20km range or so, and dry launched.

I would rather we went for TacTom given its capability but you could see a SCALP purchase. We seem caught in between EU and US systems right now.

CAAM , u mean CAMM?

[Dobbo]

Originally Posted by mic of Orion

CAAM , u mean CAMM?

Woops...typo!!

Fudge - not the MoD!!

I do think that we can stick with TacTom and Harpoon systems, it is just that we will need to integrate Tomahawk with what will presumably be a SYLVER 70 silo. Quite why these were not fitted to T45 in the first place is anyones guess...

[mic of Orion]

[Dobbo]

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