PROJECT | Radisson Blu Plaza (extension) | 50m | 16fl | Pro

[Ingenioren]

Proposed
Radisson BLU Plaza Extension
Sentrum - Oslo

Alternative 1 - 50meters/42meters.











Alternative 2 - 50meters/42meters.











Regulationcase:
http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no...seno=200805399

Older proposals:

[muster]

This is not good at all, but I think the area could tolerate two more highrises..

[SMCD]

That looks bad. They should build a sleek tower next to it and connect them with a sky bridge. That would be cool.

Rooftop restaurant sounds good, though.

[Ingenioren]

^ They stated in the initiative that they were flexible, let's hope for something like that

The protests are fewer than expected - only Gamle Oslo and Byantikvaren:

- To massive/wide - tower effect is lost.
- Local-climate/air sirculation in the area.
- Shadows.
- Less "air" for the Vaterlands park and Akerselva.

But then again, the initiative was only sendt to the bouroughs and city-offices.

[joamox]

No thank you, its wide enough as it is. Build a second tower instead

[SMCD]

I made a quick change in Photoshop – terrible quality, but you get the idea. Something like this would look better, I think:

[MrSinister]

That is probably the worst idea I´ve seen in quite a long time. It looks absolutely horrible

For once I put my faith in the NIMBYS

[Mulefisk]

I like the initiative, but seriously, they should make a separate scraper.

If they build this, it will also totally block the view to the new tower at Biskop Gunneruds gate 14b.

[Þróndeimr]

Of course, this is ridicilous. If they want to extend, build that MAD Tower, just something with modern architecture, tall and sleek. Rather build a new hotel in its own building close by, not attached to Oslo Plaza.

[SMCD]

Originally Posted by Þróndeimr

Of course, this is ridicilous. If they want to extend, build that MAD Tower, just something with modern architecture, tall and sleek. Rather build a new hotel in its own building close by, not attached to Oslo Plaza.

That would be the best option, of course. Then we would get a cluster of four scrapers with 14b as the centerpiece. But I guess they figured it was cheaper to smack something on the current building instead of building a new tower.

Who owns the property where MAD proposed to build that tower, btw?

[IceCheese]

Well, I'm not raising the flag on this one... Maybe only on half-pole.

What are they trying to do here? Make the facade look more like Galleri Oslo, to integrate the buildings more? Maybe they heard of the new Bella Hotel in Ørestad, that supposedly will be Scandinavias largest, so they had to reclaim the throne? Seriously, this is a BAD project.

About the architecture, I wish they'd chosen an other architect than White, so we could get a fresh look at the building. Just a continuation of the old design is both boring, and makes the building look to massive. Someone is afraid to touch their masterpiece...

Originally Posted by Byantikvaren

Byantikvaren vil ikke tilegne bygningen noen stor bevaringsverdi

Jada, her er byantikvaren ute med sine synsinger igjen. Jeg vil si at INGEN ANDRE BYGNINGER i Oslo etterlater et så kraftig inntrykk på dette beryktede "bybildet" byantikvaren er så opptatt av å bevare. Som en arkitekturklassiker fra slutten på 80-tallet i Norge, som plaza jo er, vil jeg si at kommentaren byantikvaren her fremsetter er MEGET pussig, spesielt med tanke på tidligere kommentarer om det viktige bybildet i dette området. Men det er vel kanskje bare meg det, som tenker at det at endringer i et bybilde ikke er mer eller mindre dramatiske ettersom de sees i forhold til bygningene som endres' alder. (For meg er det ikke spesielt større bevaringsverdi i tollbygningen enn i plaza...)

PS, det jeg prøver å si er ikke at bybildet for enhver pris skal bevares, men at byantikvarens argumentasjon nok en gang er dobbeltsidig og helt inkonsekvent. Det bør pekes på så ofte som mulig

Originally Posted by SMCD

That would be the best option, of course. Then we would get a cluster of four scrapers with 14b as the centerpiece. But I guess they figured it was cheaper to smack something on the current building instead of building a new tower.

Who owns the property where MAD proposed to build that tower, btw?

As the article from the thread about BGg14b states, there are many owners, both governmental ones and private. So it's complicated, I guess...

http://www.dagsavisen.no/innenriks/article266583.ece

[moveteam]

Originally Posted by IceCheese

Well, I'm not raising the flag on this one... Maybe only on half-pole.

What are they trying to do here? Make the facade look more like Galleri Oslo, to integrate the buildings more? Maybe they heard of the new Bella Hotel in Ørestad, that supposedly will be Scandinavias largest, so they had to reclaim the throne? Seriously, this is a BAD project.

About the architecture, I wish they'd chosen an other architect than White, so we could get a fresh look at the building. Just a continuation of the old design is both boring, and makes the building look to massive. Someone is afraid to touch their masterpiece...

Agree with you, however Bella Hotel is not going to be the largest in Scandinavia (only if it was done right NOW) - that honor will to Copenhagen's Radisson Blu Scandinavia hotel, just FYI

[muster]

Originally Posted by IceCheese

Jada, her er byantikvaren ute med sine synsinger igjen. Jeg vil si at INGEN ANDRE BYGNINGER i Oslo etterlater et så kraftig inntrykk på dette beryktede "bybildet" byantikvaren er så opptatt av å bevare. Som en arkitekturklassiker fra slutten på 80-tallet i Norge, som plaza jo er, vil jeg si at kommentaren byantikvaren her fremsetter er MEGET pussig, spesielt med tanke på tidligere kommentarer om det viktige bybildet i dette området. Men det er vel kanskje bare meg det, som tenker at det at endringer i et bybilde ikke er mer eller mindre dramatiske ettersom de sees i forhold til bygningene som endres' alder. (For meg er det ikke spesielt større bevaringsverdi i tollbygningen enn i plaza...)

PS, det jeg prøver å si er ikke at bybildet for enhver pris skal bevares, men at byantikvarens argumentasjon nok en gang er dobbeltsidig og helt inkonsekvent. Det bør pekes på så ofte som mulig

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Vi kan bare håpe at vi en dag får en byantikvar med et bredere perspektiv. Det viser seg gang på gang at det er en elitistisk tankemåte bak vurderingene. Bevaringen av Tollbygningen er bare et eksempel på hvordan praksisen ødelegger for god byutvikling

[marshol]

Seriously? If they want to extend Plaza built it higher, not wider for christ's sake! That will become an ugly wall.

[Insane alex]

Someone should write white a letter about this failure!

[Ingenioren]

Originally Posted by SMCD

Who owns the property where MAD proposed to build that tower, btw?

Owner of Galleri Oslo is Klp Eiendom

If they moved the new tower to the northern rim of the plot it would allow a small space between them without hassling with other property-owners - or they could build it over Sonja Henies plass. This could be connected with a few bridges, but not to many. The new tower should beither taller or lower - and it's cladding should be different from old Plaza imo. i don't want to see us getting a totally flat skyline, and i don't want simular cladding skyscrapers...

And about Plaza not being of architectural significanse i totally disagree - it's one of very few highrises in the whole country that are actually very good-looking... =) Byantikvaren would probably be glad to see it demolished... Highrise-hater...

[Ingenioren]

Here's a rendering off the new roof-restaurant:


http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no...fileid=1935243

[marshol]

Not much of a render though, but it's a good idea with the roof restaurant.

[Corporate.slave]

Why not build a new one instead?

[Ingenioren]

I'm guessing it's most cost-effective, you save on elevators, emergency staircases and maids.

At Pbe-site, there is also a plan for Plaza by Siv.ark. Harald Longva and Fosse og Aasen that was discarded by the city-council in 2003, i don't know anything about how these plans were - there is no files for online viewing. Maybe someone else knows? I'm guessing if these plans were high-rise it would have made it to the media, maybe there was just plans to extend the facilities at the base?
http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no...seno=200101836


Edit: Found it.
http://www.sak.oslo.kommune.no/dok/B...03019781-1.htm
No highrise in those plans - no wonder they declined it tough... As they probably will decline the current plans... They should ally with Klp/Rom and chip in on some of the projects that benefits the city as compensation for building another tower.