Automatic or Manual? - Page 4

exocet · May 21st, 2009, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mx5star

Another misnomer that wrecks cars.

That word doesn't mean what you think it means...

Avatar · May 21st, 2009, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by woozoo

U got a 3000 gt right?

I found that hard to believe so had a look myself.

Found you one for $346.95 (or $162 if yours is non turbo)
http://www.partsgeek.com/gbproducts/...ek+Google+Base

Not genuine Mitsubishi, but should do the trick.

Thanks man, yeah i am aware of this, you have to be with these cars.
I wont be getting a genuine clutch ... I just have to ensure the US ones fit ok. I have had some car club guys here help with the best one to get from over there and its about USD400 which is better than the stock one in it now (which BTW is almost dead)

I was just quoting Mitsu prices. Fitting them to the AWD TT like mine is a big labour cost. Mitsubishi clutch is about $1200 and $1800 fitting. A new transmission is about 4k.

Fyver · May 21st, 2009, 08:24 AM

$1800, thats around 2.5 days to fit a clutch, LOL (does the engine have to come out?). Try a tuning shop.

Mates Supra has a $8k clutch, and its still a pig to drive.

mx5star · May 21st, 2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by exocet

That word doesn't mean what you think it means...

Late night. LOL

mx

Locke · May 24th, 2009, 03:17 AM

Manual all the way, with the top down, a twisty road and the wind in your hair it's so nice to hear that engine purring at your command.

broadie · May 24th, 2009, 04:17 AM

my car goes auto an manual 5 gears, you just swith the gear to posative and its auto an negetive is manual, no shit

ross_the_man · May 24th, 2009, 04:32 AM

So its semi-automatic. Still doesn't have a clutch though does it?

***Svartmetall*** · May 24th, 2009, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ross_the_man

So its semi-automatic. Still doesn't have a clutch though does it?

It does, but it doesn't have a clutch pedal.

ross_the_man · May 24th, 2009, 05:00 AM

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

***Svartmetall*** · May 24th, 2009, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ross_the_man

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

All automatics have a clutch otherwise they'd not be able to change gears. The difference is that it's just an automatic one, not one that you control.

ross_the_man · May 24th, 2009, 07:26 AM

Yeah but semi autos don't have the clutch pedal either. I get ya now.

broadie · May 24th, 2009, 08:01 AM

ahah yeah what he said,

hornetfig · May 24th, 2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Svartmetall

All automatics have a clutch otherwise they'd not be able to change gears.

I'm not sure I've heard the torque converter of a standard automatical transmission referred to as a clutch... Or rather, that which replaces a manual's mechanical clutch in an automatic transmission is not anything like a clutch from a manual transmission.

***Svartmetall*** · May 24th, 2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hornetfig

I'm not sure I've heard the torque converter of a standard automatical transmission referred to as a clutch... Or rather, that which replaces a manual's mechanical clutch in an automatic transmission is not anything like a clutch from a manual transmission.

Read this.

I'll just quote a portion though:

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Originally Posted by YES I AM WIKIPEDIA

Clutches and bands: to effect gear changes, one of two types of clutches or bands are used to hold a particular member of the planetary gearset motionless, while allowing another member to rotate, thereby transmitting torque and producing gear reductions or overdrive ratios. These clutches are actuated by the valve body (see below), their sequence controlled by the transmission's internal programming. Principally, a type of device known as a sprag or roller clutch is used for routine upshifts/downshifts. Operating much as a ratchet, it transmits torque only in one direction, freewheeling or "overrunning" in the other. The advantage of this type of clutch is that it eliminates the sensitivity of timing a simultaneous clutch release/apply on two planetaries, simply "taking up" the drivetrain load when actuated,and releasing automatically when the next gear's sprag clutch assumes the torque transfer.

hornetfig · May 25th, 2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Svartmetall

Read this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hornetfig

that which replaces a manual's mechanical clutch in an automatic transmission is not anything like a clutch from a manual transmission.

Directly, a manual's clutch and drive places are replaced by an auto's hydraulic torque converter. Calling a sprag a clutch is a bit like calling, I dunno, a Mac a PC. Kind of correct, but you get looked at o_O

Burden · May 27th, 2009, 01:40 AM

CAN automatic transmissions kill off manual ones? It’s starting to look that way with the spread of blink-fast double-clutch automatic systems. And people are apparently happy to pay more for them. For example, the six-speed S-tronic dual-wet-clutch transmission (pictured) arrives in the Audi S3 Sportback 2.0 TFSI for an extra $2700, bringing the list price to $71,010. Audi, which debuted the transmission in the TT 3.2 quattro in 2003, claims the S-tronic reduces the 0-100km/h acceleration time by 0.2 seconds to 5.6 while economy is improved to 8.4 litres/100km with CO2 emissions of 195g/km. The S-tronic is a perfect partner for the turbocharged engine, swapping cogs so quickly the blower doesn’t get a chance to drop revs, thus keeping the power on. Audi Australia product planning manager John Roberts believes the S-tronic model will not only become the topselling S3, but will also lift volumes. Currently the S3 Sportback ($68,310) is the top seller with 62 per cent of S3 sales. However, Roberts claims the S-tronic will reach 65 per cent, dropping the Sportback to 20 per cent and the three-door manual ($66,403) to 15 per cent. He says the S-tronic will target younger buyers and sell about 200 a year.

swifty78 · June 7th, 2009, 07:45 AM

never liked manual, can drive them no worries but auto so much easier especially driving in the city and peak hour traffic

craxzyd · June 7th, 2009, 02:58 PM

real drivers drive a manual

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Originally Posted by Burden

CAN automatic transmissions kill off manual ones?

maybe one in cars but in off road 4wd and trucks i dout it...

beastjim · June 7th, 2009, 03:35 PM

I like manual, more interesting. Although sometimes when eating some drive through or similar it would be nice to have an auto. But that's something you just have to work with.

Also this thread certainly needed a poll.

***invincible*** · June 8th, 2009, 06:13 AM

Poll added.

View Poll Results: Automatic or manual?
Automatic	14	32.56%
Manual	21	48.84%
Irritating tiptronic/DSG/SMT auto-manual hybrid thing	2	4.65%
I have fancy racecar paddles on the side of my wheel, nyer nyer	6	13.95%
Voters: 43. You may not vote on this poll

May 21st, 2009, 08:24 AM	#63
Fyver Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,301 Likes (Received): 43	$1800, thats around 2.5 days to fit a clutch, LOL (does the engine have to come out?). Try a tuning shop. Mates Supra has a $8k clutch, and its still a pig to drive. __________________ Disclaimer: The opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer, its subsidiaries, clients and partners, not necessarily mine, probably not necessary, and don't intentionally mean to kill the fun.

May 24th, 2009, 04:17 AM	#66
broadie gigidy gigidy Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tweed coast, AU Posts: 1,574 Likes (Received): 5	my car goes auto an manual 5 gears, you just swith the gear to posative and its auto an negetive is manual, no shit __________________ if love is a bong pass it on

May 24th, 2009, 04:32 AM	#67
ross_the_man Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Canberra Posts: 3,708 Likes (Received): 11	So its semi-automatic. Still doesn't have a clutch though does it? __________________ Ain't no such thing as half way crooks!

May 24th, 2009, 05:00 AM	#69
ross_the_man Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Canberra Posts: 3,708 Likes (Received): 11	ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. __________________ Ain't no such thing as half way crooks!

May 24th, 2009, 03:17 AM	#65
Locke alright, kick-ass Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,367 Likes (Received): 180	Manual all the way, with the top down, a twisty road and the wind in your hair it's so nice to hear that engine purring at your command.

May 24th, 2009, 07:26 AM	#71
ross_the_man Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Canberra Posts: 3,708 Likes (Received): 11	Yeah but semi autos don't have the clutch pedal either. I get ya now. __________________ Ain't no such thing as half way crooks!

May 24th, 2009, 08:01 AM	#72
broadie gigidy gigidy Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tweed coast, AU Posts: 1,574 Likes (Received): 5	ahah yeah what he said, __________________ if love is a bong pass it on

May 27th, 2009, 01:40 AM	#76
Burden What to do with my life.. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,444	CAN automatic transmissions kill off manual ones? It’s starting to look that way with the spread of blink-fast double-clutch automatic systems. And people are apparently happy to pay more for them. For example, the six-speed S-tronic dual-wet-clutch transmission (pictured) arrives in the Audi S3 Sportback 2.0 TFSI for an extra $2700, bringing the list price to $71,010. Audi, which debuted the transmission in the TT 3.2 quattro in 2003, claims the S-tronic reduces the 0-100km/h acceleration time by 0.2 seconds to 5.6 while economy is improved to 8.4 litres/100km with CO2 emissions of 195g/km. The S-tronic is a perfect partner for the turbocharged engine, swapping cogs so quickly the blower doesn’t get a chance to drop revs, thus keeping the power on. Audi Australia product planning manager John Roberts believes the S-tronic model will not only become the topselling S3, but will also lift volumes. Currently the S3 Sportback ($68,310) is the top seller with 62 per cent of S3 sales. However, Roberts claims the S-tronic will reach 65 per cent, dropping the Sportback to 20 per cent and the three-door manual ($66,403) to 15 per cent. He says the S-tronic will target younger buyers and sell about 200 a year. __________________ Townsville is unlike any other city in Australia. No city of comparable size has quite the connection into the future prosperity of the Australian nation as does Townsville. Townsville's next phase of growth is likely to accrue the critical mass in population to transform from regional centre to a metropolitan centre. 'Bernard Salt' Australia's leading demographer Townsville is a picture of exactly the kind of diverse, dynamic regional economy that will power Australia's passage through the years ahead. Treasurer Wayne Swan

June 7th, 2009, 07:45 AM	#77
swifty78 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 988 Likes (Received): 39	never liked manual, can drive them no worries but auto so much easier especially driving in the city and peak hour traffic

June 7th, 2009, 03:35 PM	#79
beastjim Maglev Believer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 2,258 Likes (Received): 1	I like manual, more interesting. Although sometimes when eating some drive through or similar it would be nice to have an auto. But that's something you just have to work with. Also this thread certainly needed a poll.

June 8th, 2009, 06:13 AM	#80
*invincible* Lurker Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3,392 Likes (Received): 13	Poll added. __________________ Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one and everyone thinks that theirs is the only one that doesn't stink. My Melbourne Photos My photos at Panoramio & flickr

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