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Nightjar · August 12th, 2009, 10:54 AM

I do like it but since it's going to be for student accomodation I would worry (in light of Nido's various efforts) about the build quality - and specifically the finish - random cladding perhaps?

beleevme · August 13th, 2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightjar

I do like it but since it's going to be for student accomodation I would worry (in light of Nido's various efforts) about the build quality - and specifically the finish - random cladding perhaps?

Have you seen the Nido cubes? I saw a diagram on SSP but cant source a photograph
do you happen to have one?

***gothicform*** · August 13th, 2009, 03:13 PM

these?

beleevme · August 13th, 2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gothicform

these?

i would think so, thanks

Nightjar · August 14th, 2009, 11:58 AM

This one doesn't look too bad in it's splendid isolation - and the dreary Pentonville Road does benefit from having something bright and cheerful like these.

However it's when buildings with relatively low build quality are in close proximity to high quality projects (such as the 100MS/Heron axis) that the problems begin.

The 'Quill' regardless of how it's finished will be contending with the 'beauty & the beast' pairing of The Shard and Guy's Hospital!

In other words it's bound to look great compared to one and not so great compared to the other (can you work out which one?)

london lad · December 2nd, 2009, 09:48 PM

Over on SE1 they have noticed this has gone in for planning.

Demolition of Capital House, 40-46 Weston Street and erection of a 31 storey building (109.6m) (18557m2 gea) to provide 525 student accommodation units (sui Generis) on floors 1-28, ancillary bar, gym and library (floors 29-31), a retail/cafe unit (flexible class A1/A3) (371 sqm gea) at ground floor level, 290 cycle parking spaces, 2 accessible car parking spaces and 1 service bay at basement level, associated refuse and recycling and an area of public open space.

Manuel · December 2nd, 2009, 10:07 PM

wow...another one with a good chance of getting built quickly if planning permission is granted. It would be a nice addition to the area. The design for (rich) student housing in London is stunning relative to what's being built elsewhere.

Gherkin · December 2nd, 2009, 11:04 PM

^ Leeds has the best looking student accomodation in the UK. I don't think the "Quill" will take this place... It looks too messy compared to Broadcasting Tower in Leeds:

image hosted on flickr

image hosted on flickr

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At least the Quill's prettier than 100 Middlesex Street though.

Newcastle Guy · December 2nd, 2009, 11:23 PM

Another 100m+, cool. It's a nice surprise to here it will be taller than expected.

That Leeds one is nice too.

Comdot · December 3rd, 2009, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Gherkin

image hosted on flickr

yeah i definitely prefer that to manchester's parkway gate, but it comes close.

potto · December 3rd, 2009, 12:33 PM

very nice, Leeds especially! Shame about the streetscapes though

Manuel · December 3rd, 2009, 12:50 PM

I wasn't aware that this tower in Leeds was for student accomodations. This is stunning, and indeed it wins the crown!

Nihil Dicit · December 9th, 2009, 09:39 PM

Having attended the original public consultation meeting, I put my name down to receive further updates on this development. A letter arrived today - with the following list of "enhancements" to the original design. Unfortunately no pics (yet).

The design remains broadly similar to the one you may have seen in the summer, but we thought it would be useful to provide you with a summary of the enhancements. The main changes are as follows:

Public permeability of the site has been increased, so that over 80% of the site at round level is available for public use.

Public open space has been increased and now includes a double height colonnade with landscaping including trees.

A new pedestrian crossing on Wesont St has been included.

There is a new public pedestrianised connection through the site linking St Thomas St and Weston St.

The shape of the eastern elevation of the building has been made into a more slender form.

The Melior St elevation has been reduced by 15m.

The sloping roof angle has changed from 52 degrees to 62 degrees, enhancing the elegance of the building.

Two basement levels have been included to accommodate servicing, cycle parking and plant requirements away from the ground floor.

Retail frontages on St Thomas St, Weston St and Melior St have been increased, enhancing the activity and safety of the area.

.

delores · December 9th, 2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by potto

very nice, Leeds especially! Shame about the streetscapes though

i know the landscaping and surrounding area needs alot of work but this is far better than other student towers in Leeds.

Gherkin · December 12th, 2009, 01:19 AM

^ Well there are only two other student towers in leeds and they book look awful in all but a few photos. The streetscape surrounding the tower is very 1960s - motorways and concrete underpasses/tunnels/bridges etc - it's on the northern fringe of the city centre. It's the only part of Leeds that looks like Birmingham! It's almost opposite Leeds Metropolitan University, and the low rise part of the building adjacent to the tower houses the Faculty of Arts (fine art, architecture etc). I study here! The Mac suite on the 3rd floor is stunning.

It's encouraging to see London following in Leeds' footsteps with high rise student flats... I'm surprised that tall student apartments haven't been around for longer - they are very easy to design - you simply find a working floorplate and copy and paste x number of times for the number of floors you desire. They are as simple as, if not simpler than 60s tower blocks in layout and design.

Modern high rise student accomodation does suffer visually because of the building regulation stating that windows can be no bigger than a certain size. This results in small-looking windows (even though the window I looked out of in my Opal Tower flat was 800x1200mm), meaning that the general look of student accomodation is determined by the cladding quality. It's been proven in Leeds that the quality differences in cheap plastic cladding and expensive weathering steel cladding are obvious, but remember that students only really care about a big fridge, nearby supermarkets/clubs/bars and a quick walk to uni...

How far is quill from the nearest appropriate university? And is it expected to be let to students from any particular university, or are all welcome?

lyonsdown 2.0 · December 12th, 2009, 02:26 PM

Wel it's very close to Kings ie about 100m away and pretty close to LSBU which is by St georges circus.

ismail · December 13th, 2009, 07:31 PM

How close is this to the Shard?

Nihil Dicit · December 13th, 2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ismail

How close is this to the Shard?

It's just down the road.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&so...,0.009645&z=17

About 200m east of the Shard on St Thomas Street.

london lad · December 13th, 2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ismail

How close is this to the Shard?

Literally just down the road at the next Junction with St Thomas St & Weston St. Probably less than 100m away. It's be between LBT & 3 houses site.

Lol- Just noticed Nihil just answered before me. Call it 150m away then

london lad · December 20th, 2009, 12:48 PM

I like.

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December 2nd, 2009, 10:07 PM	#47
Manuel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 9,952 Likes (Received): 1	wow...another one with a good chance of getting built quickly if planning permission is granted. It would be a nice addition to the area. The design for (rich) student housing in London is stunning relative to what's being built elsewhere. __________________ >>>>>>>>>> Mon album Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/manuel69/<<<<<<<<<<

December 2nd, 2009, 11:04 PM	#48
Gherkin actual gherkin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Leeds Posts: 13,713 Likes (Received): 147	^ Leeds has the best looking student accomodation in the UK. I don't think the "Quill" will take this place... It looks too messy compared to Broadcasting Tower in Leeds: image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr [url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/v4idas/3974236220/in/photostream/]image hosted on flickr At least the Quill's prettier than 100 Middlesex Street though.

December 3rd, 2009, 12:50 PM	#52
Manuel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 9,952 Likes (Received): 1	I wasn't aware that this tower in Leeds was for student accomodations. This is stunning, and indeed it wins the crown! __________________ >>>>>>>>>> Mon album Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/manuel69/<<<<<<<<<<

December 9th, 2009, 09:39 PM	#53
Nihil Dicit Closet Crane-Spotter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: London Posts: 422 Likes (Received): 0	Having attended the original public consultation meeting, I put my name down to receive further updates on this development. A letter arrived today - with the following list of "enhancements" to the original design. Unfortunately no pics (yet). The design remains broadly similar to the one you may have seen in the summer, but we thought it would be useful to provide you with a summary of the enhancements. The main changes are as follows: Public permeability of the site has been increased, so that over 80% of the site at round level is available for public use. Public open space has been increased and now includes a double height colonnade with landscaping including trees. A new pedestrian crossing on Wesont St has been included. There is a new public pedestrianised connection through the site linking St Thomas St and Weston St. The shape of the eastern elevation of the building has been made into a more slender form. The Melior St elevation has been reduced by 15m. The sloping roof angle has changed from 52 degrees to 62 degrees, enhancing the elegance of the building. Two basement levels have been included to accommodate servicing, cycle parking and plant requirements away from the ground floor. Retail frontages on St Thomas St, Weston St and Melior St have been increased, enhancing the activity and safety of the area. . __________________ . LONDON RENTAL PROPERTIES London Bridge \| Shad Thames \| St Katharine's Dock \| Balham \| Tooting Last edited by Nihil Dicit; December 9th, 2009 at 10:04 PM. Reason: ah... typos

December 12th, 2009, 01:19 AM	#55
Gherkin actual gherkin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Leeds Posts: 13,713 Likes (Received): 147	^ Well there are only two other student towers in leeds and they book look awful in all but a few photos. The streetscape surrounding the tower is very 1960s - motorways and concrete underpasses/tunnels/bridges etc - it's on the northern fringe of the city centre. It's the only part of Leeds that looks like Birmingham! It's almost opposite Leeds Metropolitan University, and the low rise part of the building adjacent to the tower houses the Faculty of Arts (fine art, architecture etc). I study here! The Mac suite on the 3rd floor is stunning. It's encouraging to see London following in Leeds' footsteps with high rise student flats... I'm surprised that tall student apartments haven't been around for longer - they are very easy to design - you simply find a working floorplate and copy and paste x number of times for the number of floors you desire. They are as simple as, if not simpler than 60s tower blocks in layout and design. Modern high rise student accomodation does suffer visually because of the building regulation stating that windows can be no bigger than a certain size. This results in small-looking windows (even though the window I looked out of in my Opal Tower flat was 800x1200mm), meaning that the general look of student accomodation is determined by the cladding quality. It's been proven in Leeds that the quality differences in cheap plastic cladding and expensive weathering steel cladding are obvious, but remember that students only really care about a big fridge, nearby supermarkets/clubs/bars and a quick walk to uni... How far is quill from the nearest appropriate university? And is it expected to be let to students from any particular university, or are all welcome? Last edited by Gherkin; December 12th, 2009 at 01:32 AM.

August 12th, 2009, 10:54 AM	#41
Nightjar Bird Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Under a hedge Posts: 13,773 Likes (Received): 245	I do like it but since it's going to be for student accomodation I would worry (in light of Nido's various efforts) about the build quality - and specifically the finish - random cladding perhaps?

August 13th, 2009, 03:13 PM	#43
*gothicform* Bossman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: not london Posts: 29,147 Likes (Received): 481	these?

August 14th, 2009, 11:58 AM	#45
Nightjar Bird Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Under a hedge Posts: 13,773 Likes (Received): 245	This one doesn't look too bad in it's splendid isolation - and the dreary Pentonville Road does benefit from having something bright and cheerful like these. However it's when buildings with relatively low build quality are in close proximity to high quality projects (such as the 100MS/Heron axis) that the problems begin. The 'Quill' regardless of how it's finished will be contending with the 'beauty & the beast' pairing of The Shard and Guy's Hospital! In other words it's bound to look great compared to one and not so great compared to the other (can you work out which one?)

December 2nd, 2009, 09:48 PM	#46
london lad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 8,155 Likes (Received): 45	Over on SE1 they have noticed this has gone in for planning. Demolition of Capital House, 40-46 Weston Street and erection of a 31 storey building (109.6m) (18557m2 gea) to provide 525 student accommodation units (sui Generis) on floors 1-28, ancillary bar, gym and library (floors 29-31), a retail/cafe unit (flexible class A1/A3) (371 sqm gea) at ground floor level, 290 cycle parking spaces, 2 accessible car parking spaces and 1 service bay at basement level, associated refuse and recycling and an area of public open space.

December 2nd, 2009, 11:23 PM	#49
Newcastle Guy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 8,955 Likes (Received): 18	Another 100m+, cool. It's a nice surprise to here it will be taller than expected. That Leeds one is nice too.

December 3rd, 2009, 12:33 PM	#51
potto Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 13,495 Likes (Received): 249	very nice, Leeds especially! Shame about the streetscapes though

December 12th, 2009, 02:26 PM	#56
lyonsdown 2.0 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 243 Likes (Received): 0	Wel it's very close to Kings ie about 100m away and pretty close to LSBU which is by St georges circus.

December 13th, 2009, 07:31 PM	#57
ismail Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: london Posts: 1,966 Likes (Received): 2	How close is this to the Shard? __________________ I am the Law

December 20th, 2009, 12:48 PM	#60
london lad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 8,155 Likes (Received): 45	I like. [ Last edited by london lad; December 21st, 2009 at 09:10 PM.

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