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Old October 14th, 2011, 03:39 PM   #281
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Wow. Are you some kind of a pervert? Listening to voices of people who are horrified and about to die, and publicly admitting of such a desire with exlamation. That's more than crazy
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Old October 15th, 2011, 07:21 PM   #282
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AF447 pilot: 'Damn it, we're going to crash'
October 15, 2011 -- Updated 0112 GMT

London (CNN) -- Harrowing new details have emerged from the last moments of Air France Flight 447 which crashed into the Atlantic in June 2009, killing all 228 passengers and crew.

New extracts from the cockpit voice recorder reveal that three seconds before impact, one of the crew exclaimed: "Damn it, we're going to crash, this can't be true!"

Data from the flight recorders that were recovered after nearly two years on the sea bed previously revealed clues about why the plane crashed on its way to France from Brazil.

France's Bureau of Investigation and Analysis, the BEA, has said the crisis began after problems arose with the Airbus A330's devices that measure its speed, and disconnection of the autopilot. It also said the recorders revealed that the pilots failed to discuss repeated stall warnings.
Controversy over AF447 transcript release
Final moments of Air France 447 crash

But in a new book called "Erreurs de Pilotage" (Pilot Error) by aeronautics expert Jean Pierre Otelli, fresh material from the last two minutes of the flight as captured by the cockpit voice recorder reveals the panic-stricken conversations of the confused pilots.

The plane plunged 38,000 feet in just three minutes and 30 seconds but the recording -- as reported in the book -- illustrates that the crew didn't understand why the plane was not responding.

In one extract, a co-pilot says: "Climb, climb, climb." But his colleague answers: "But I've been pulling back on the stick for a while now."

In a computer-generated voice, the plane's warning system keeps repeating the word "Stall!"

The captain warns: "Watch out, you are pulling up." A co-pilot replies: "Am I pulling up?"

The BEA has strongly condemned the disclosure of the transcript, which it says is a violation of European regulations and shows a lack of respect for the late crew members.

"Any attempt at interpretation at this stage is partial and, as a result, can only fan the flames of the controversies of the last few months, which is harmful to all concerned," it said in a statement.

Air France has also reacted to what it calls "sensationalized and unverifiable information," which it says "impairs the memory of the crew and passengers who lost their lives."

CNN's aviation correspondent Richard Quest says the material gives a "dramatic insight into what was happening" but adds that it doesn't add anything new to the ongoing investigation.

He also says the inquiry poses questions about how difficult modern airliners are to fly in extreme situations.

The Air France statement says further work is necessary on what it calls the "delicate issue of human-machine interface."

The BEA has already issued 10 new safety recommendations, including ensuring extra training for pilots on manual handling of a high-altitude stall, and says new safety recommendations will be issued in the final report on the accident, due to be published in June next year.

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Old October 16th, 2011, 12:13 PM   #283
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This whole deal may have been caused on the tarmac in Brazil by a nesting insect. The pitot tubes probably weren't covered while in Rio, allowing a flying insect to set up shop and shove plant material into the tube, thereby blocking it.
Why the copilot was pulling up in a false stall alarm is beyond me, but I heard that the plane was allowed to go too fast because of the false reading by the blocked pitot tube.
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Old October 16th, 2011, 02:03 PM   #284
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This whole deal may have been caused on the tarmac in Brazil by a nesting insect. The pitot tubes probably weren't covered while in Rio, allowing a flying insect to set up shop and shove plant material into the tube, thereby blocking it.
Why the copilot was pulling up in a false stall alarm is beyond me, but I heard that the plane was allowed to go too fast because of the false reading by the blocked pitot tube.
So why would all 3 tubes only be blocked simultaneously for 54 seconds 3 hours into the flight? The first stall alarm was real, why did the crew ignore it?

Have you actually read the reports?
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Old February 17th, 2015, 03:30 PM   #285
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I know I'm digging up an old thread, but in December 2014 BEA published an official animation of the sequence of events with throttles, sticks and horizon view:



It gives a good overview of situation.
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