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Old June 2nd, 2009, 02:23 PM   #41
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 03:22 PM   #42
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Very very sad!!

BBC released a time-lime of the known facts so far:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8077304.stm
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 03:47 PM   #43
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BREAKING NEWS!
Parts of the aircraft, including seats have been found 400 miles north-east of Brazil.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 03:50 PM   #44
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Parts of the aircraft, including seats have been found 400 miles north-east of Brazil.
Oh my gosh. So the disaster has indeed happened.

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Oh my gosh. So the disaster has indeed happened.

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Old June 2nd, 2009, 03:55 PM   #46
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The Brazilian jets searching for an Air France airliner that vanished over the Atlantic Ocean have reportedly spotted plane wreckage.

The South American country's air force found debris 390 or 1,000 miles off its coast, depending on reports.

The wreckage included airplane seats that were floating in the sea along the path that a missing Air France jet was flying.

Air Force spokesman Jorge Amaral said authorities cannot immediately confirm the seats were from the missing plane.

Small white pieces of material that may be metallic and signs of oil and kerosene, which is used as jet fuel, were also spotted.

The debris was found north east of the Brazilian archipelago of Fernando de Noronha.

The Airbus A330 went missing on a flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris with 228 people on board.


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Old June 2nd, 2009, 03:59 PM   #47
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Plane searchers spot ocean debris

Brazilian aircraft searching for an Air France jet which went missing with 228 people aboard in an Atlantic storm have spotted debris on the ocean.

"Small remains" were located 650km (400 miles) north-east of Brazil's Fernando do Noronha island, the Brazilian air force said.

It could not be immediately confirmed that the debris came from the Airbus.

The jet was heading from Brazil to Paris when it vanished about four hours into its flight, early on Monday GMT.
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RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) - Brazilian military planes have sighted wreckage 400 miles off the South American country's northern coast that could be part of an Air France plane that went missing on Sunday night, Brazil's air force said on Tuesday.

The wreckage, which has still not been confirmed to be parts from Air France flight 447, includes metallic objects and plane seats, an air force spokesman said in a televised statement.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 04:08 PM   #48
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BBC: Plane searcher spot ocean debris

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Brazilian aircraft searching for an Air France jet which went missing with 228 people aboard in an Atlantic storm have spotted debris on the ocean.

Plane seats and other items were sighted 650km (400 miles) north-east of Brazil's Fernando do Noronha island, the Brazilian air force said.

It could not be immediately confirmed that the debris came from the Airbus.

The jet was heading from Brazil to Paris when it vanished about four hours into its flight, early on Monday.

Air Force spokesman Jorge Amaral said the seats had been spotted by search planes early on Tuesday.

Also spotted were small white pieces of debris, material that may be metallic and signs of oil and kerosene, which is used as jet fuel.

"The search is continuing because it's very little material in relation to the size [of the Airbus A330]," Mr Amaral added.

Officials, he said, needed "a piece that might have a serial number, some sort of identification" to be sure it came from the missing jet.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8079122.stm
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 04:23 PM   #49
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This is really sad
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 04:25 PM   #50
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Does the aircraft's disapeared location is track with any radar? Can it track mid-air breakup?

*If it can, the ATC could see it in the radar.
*If it is descending to ditch, the radar could see the FL decreasing.
*If it runs out of fuel, it could return to Brazil or diverted to Africa.

This is what i thought

If it is on radar, an ATC can see if it is descending or not. Also He/she can communicate via radio if he sees something wrong.

Sadly, not every inch in the middle of an ocean is monitored with radars. Apparently, it went out of Brazilian airspace but was yet to enter another airspace.

Also extended ranges can only be monitored by airplanes transmitting signals via transponders. If you have an electric failure and loose your transponder, the ATC will loose you as well. The only other way, is if the planes are being tracked via satellite but I do not think that happens....atleast not in that area.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 04:34 PM   #51
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Could it possibly be that the plane performed an emergency landing on the water and people are on safety boats/slides... Maybe they just couldn't find them because they lost radar and cruised out of the route??? I don't want to be pessimistic... I sincerely hope that the plane hasn't crashed!! If and only if something terrible happened, I send everyone my condolences...
I'd love it if this is the case, that's what I was hoping too
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 05:29 PM   #52
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Water ditching an A330 on rough seas is next to impossible without breaking the aircraft. It's easier to attempt a crash landing on the barren ground in fact.

And if you hit the water at high speed, obviously it's almost like hitting the ground.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 07:13 PM   #53
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and the engines would scoop the water...possibly breaking apart the engine or wings of the aircraft
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 07:19 PM   #54
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Yes, the engines would probably be torn apart from the wings.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 07:27 PM   #55
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Ditching is very unffortunate for aircrafts...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NzzSmMESbU
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 08:04 PM   #56
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This is typically what happens to airliners when the pilot makes an attempt at ditching...

This was Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 09:06 PM   #57
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 09:15 PM   #58
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Updated map from the BBC...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8079122.stm

May they rest in peace.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 09:19 PM   #59
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Press release N° 7

Flight deck crew



Flight Captain:

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· French
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· 58 years old
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· Entered Air France in 1988
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· Qualified on Airbus A330/A340 in February 2007
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· 11,000 flight hours, including 1,700 on Airbus A330/A340

2 co-pilots:

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· French
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· 37 and 32 years old
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· Entered Air France in 1999 and 2004
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· Qualified on Airbus A330/A340 in April 2002 and June 2008
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· 6,600 flight hours, including 2,600 on Airbus A330/A340
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· 3,000 flight hours, including 800 on Airbus A330/A340

Cabin crew



Chief purser:

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· French
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· 49 years old
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· Entered Air France in 1985

2 pursers:

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· French
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· 54 and 46 years old
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· Entered Air France in 1981 and 1989

6 stewards and stewardesses:

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· 5 French and 1 Brazilian
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· Between 24 and 44 years old
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· Entered Air France in 1996 and 2007
http://alphasite.airfrance.com/s01/press-releases/?L=1
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 01:09 AM   #60
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Air France jet wreckage found in Atlantic, official says


RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (CNN) -- A debris field located early Tuesday in the Atlantic Ocean off the northeast coast of Brazil is wreckage from the Air France jet that disappeared Monday, Brazil's Defense Minister Nelson Jobim said.

No survivors have been found, he said.
Jobim made the announcement after meeting with relatives and friends of Brazilians who were among the 228 people aboard Flight 447 from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, France.
On Tuesday morning, Brazilian air force planes spotted the debris field, consisting of an airplane seat, an orange life vest, small white fragments, an oil drum and signs of oil and kerosene, spokesman Jorge Amaral said. Another official described the debris field as being 5 kilometers long.
But it was not until a French commercial vessel arrived on the scene that confirmation of the debris' origin was made.
Two Netherlands-flagged vessels were expected to arrive in the area later in the day; a Brazilian navy ship was expected to arrive Wednesday, officials said. Brazilian air force jets were continuing to comb the area for other debris, and a U.S. P-3 Orion maritime patrol aircraft was assisting as well.
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