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Old August 30th, 2008, 11:41 PM   #401
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Old August 31st, 2008, 12:52 AM   #402
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European Tour 2009

I'm planning a little tour to do in June next year. Start and finish is planned for my hometown Amsterdam. And it should take about 20 days by car.



Plan is to discover as much countries as possible. Driving south through Belgium, Luxemburg, France and Spain to Portugal and possibly even Morocco. Then back up through Spain through France to Monaco. From there into Italy through the Alps, Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Austria into Germany. From Germany heading back south through Austria, Slovenia and Croatia into Serbia. From Serbia to Dubrovnik through Bosnia. Then leaving Croatia into Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia and Greece. From Greece entering Turkey for the most eastern stop of the trip on the Asian side of Istanbul. From there back home through Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Poland, Czech Republic and Germany.

Any advise on the route is very welcome! Especially the parts from France to Morocco through Portugal and from Istanbul to Germany are areas I'm not familiar with. If you live in the neighbourhood and like to tag along for a bit or wanna catch up for a drink, let me know
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:02 AM   #403
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The list of cities I like to visit:
  • Paris
  • Bilbao
  • Lisabon
  • Sevilla
  • (Tangiers)
  • Valencia
  • Barcelona
  • Andorra
  • Monaco
  • Milan
  • Vaduz
  • Munchen
  • Salzburg
  • Ljubljana
  • Zagreb
  • Belgrade
  • Sarajevo
  • Dubrovnik
  • Tirana
  • Thessaloniki
  • Istanbul
  • Bukarest
  • Debrecen
  • Krakow
  • Prague
  • Amsterdam
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:03 AM   #404
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I believe you get from Austria to Croatia through Slovenia, not Macedonia.
Correct, my bad. Drove from Croatia to Italy before, also through Slovenia. But this time I want to see Ljubljana
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:04 AM   #405
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I believe you get from Austria to Croatia through Slovenia, not Macedonia.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:17 AM   #406
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Total KM is about 12.000.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:19 AM   #407
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SSC time machine is getting crazy! Btw, isn't 12,000 km in 20 days too optimistic? I'd say you'll need a month.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 05:09 AM   #408
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Yeah, 12,000 kms in 20 days is a bit optimistic if you want to not only pass by cities but actually visit them. I'm with Verso. Count with being away for a month. And I hope you're not on a tight budget...

About advice I can give you is that if you're only interested in visiting Tangier I suggest you drive to Tarifa (southernmost point on mainland Europe) where you park your car and take a ferry to Morocco which goes directly to Tangier. It's not worth the extra 200 euros for taking your car with you if you're not planning on going any farther south.

If you indeed decide on going farther, I recommend you go to the old city of Fes and to Marrakech. They are both connected to Tangier by motorway.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 08:20 AM   #409
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Looks great, but I don't think that 20 days will be enough. 600 kms a day is possible, but you will see nothing of the cities you visit. Hopefully your pics will be as nice as snupix ones of his Balkan Tour
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Old August 31st, 2008, 10:36 AM   #410
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I think you can do that in 20 days
it depends on how much you want to visit in the cities...
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Old August 31st, 2008, 10:56 AM   #411
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I think 12 days is alright, but I can always extend my journey. I'm used to driving long distances, I did Miami to LA in 5 days and Berlin - Budapest - Dubrovnik - Monaco also in 5 days last year.

Thanks for the advice, I think I'll leave the car in Tarifa and just take the ferry across to Tangiers.

I don't want to visit each city for a long time, a lot of cities I've already stayed for 1 or more days. Including Paris, Bilbao, Barcelona, Monaco, Milan, Vaduz, Munchen, Zagreb, Dubrovnik and Istanbul. So I don't have to really stop and explore there, just drive through or have lunch maybe.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 11:02 AM   #412
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Total list of countries:
  • The Netherlands
  • Belgium
  • Luxemburg
  • France
  • Spain
  • Portugal
  • Spain
  • Morocco
  • Spain
  • Andorra
  • France
  • Monaco
  • France
  • Italy
  • Switzerland
  • Liechtenstein
  • Austria
  • Germany
  • Austria
  • Slovenia
  • Croatia
  • Serbia
  • Bosnia
  • Croatia
  • Montenegro
  • Albania
  • Macedonia
  • Greece
  • Turkey
  • Bulgaria
  • Romania
  • Hungary
  • Slovakia
  • Poland
  • Czech Republic
  • Germany
  • The Netherlands

Total countries: 30
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Old August 31st, 2008, 12:23 PM   #413
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Maybe you should go with A1 from Zagreb to Dubrovnik and then up to Belgrade. A1 is great to drive on with lots of tunnels, viaducts, mountains, ... while A3 (Zagreb-Serbia) is boring. Everything is flat and you have nothing interesting to see.



Edit... I see now that it wouldnt be possible if you want to visit Belgrade and then Montenegro.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 12:51 PM   #414
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You could even visit the spanish city in north Africa, it's nice, Ceuta, there are a lot of ships from the European Spain to the african, and it's very near Tangier and Tetouan,
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Old August 31st, 2008, 12:55 PM   #415
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Be aware that there is a congestion charge in Milan. If your car is not a Diesel and fulfils at least the Euro 3 norm, you don't need to pay. More info here (PDF).

Are you also planning a northern europe trip in the near future?
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:18 PM   #416
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I think 20 days (3 weeks) is a bit short, but it will be the trip of a lifetime. I think you might need to calculate some lower average speed in some Balkan countries, especially on routes with no motorways.

You need road vignettes in various countries, like Switzerland, Austria, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Hungary and Czech rep.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:28 PM   #417
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Damn, I am absolutely jealous. It's great. I plan to do something similar in the future, but I guess I would need at least a month cause I would stop in every main spot. If you have already been to several places and you don't get tired of driving that much, I suppose it's possible to make it.

About the part of the route I know the most (Spanish side):
- If you want to stop in your way to Portugal I advice you Salamanca and San Sebastián. They are some of the nicest towns in Spain and you will pass through them according to your map.
- If you are really into motorways and infraestructure in general, Madrid is a must (even if you only want to drive through the rings without entering the city).
- As someone stated leave the car in Tarifa since it's not worth to go with it unless you are going to spend some days in Morocco.
- In your way from Tarifa to Valencia, take A92 through Granada. It's one of the most spectacular motorways in Spain and if you want to stop Granada is a really special place.

Feel free to ask anything.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:34 PM   #418
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Be aware that there is a congestion charge in Milan. If your car is not a Diesel and fulfils at least the Euro 3 norm, you don't need to pay. More info here (PDF).

Are you also planning a northern europe trip in the near future?
Thanks for the info!

I've been to Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland before, but I like to go to Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Russia in the near future, and maybe drive back through scandinavia.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:37 PM   #419
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:49 PM   #420
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20 days is enough to drive through Europe, but if you plan to vistit all those cities in your list you'll need more time, especially if you haven't planed places of interest you would like to see, but I think you have already looked to that.

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, but I like to go to Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Russia in the near future, and maybe drive back through scandinavia.
I'm happy to see!
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