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Old June 10th, 2009, 04:19 PM   #701
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I'm considering this 3-day trip this weekend:
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Old June 11th, 2009, 12:47 PM   #702
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Wonderful, Chris!What will be the new percentage of autobahns where you have driven after this trip?
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Old June 11th, 2009, 01:01 PM   #703
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Only A38 will be new for me... so maybe 1 or 2 percent.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 01:03 PM   #704
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Chris, you might consider going up the A18 (PL) and then A15 (D) up to dreieck Spreewald (A15/A13) and back down to Dresden.
This is a bit of a detour but probably well worth it.

When you cross the Polish border I recommend you stay at the Hotel Baranowski in Słubice.
Take the first exit on route 2 (E30) and go into Słubice on route 29.
The hotel will be on your left after about 1 km.

Hotel Baranowski
ul. Transportowa 4c
69-100 Słubice

Phone ++48 - (095) - 758 2102
www.hotelbaranowski.slubice.net

Good luck and hopefully you will bring back lots of pictures, as always.


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Old June 11th, 2009, 01:30 PM   #705
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I'm gonna stay at campsites... Cheap, usually something like € 8 - 15 per night. My campsite in Horb am Neckar cost me only € 6,70 for one night

My first campsite will be along A12 in Bad Saarow... the second one depends how far I can drive on sunday... probably around Dresden.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 01:37 PM   #706
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For €15 (70 zł) you can easily find a place in a good B&B.

Do you have any experience in driving on regular roads in Poland?
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Old June 11th, 2009, 01:52 PM   #707
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Do you have any experience in driving on regular roads in Poland?
Only as a passenger... DK4 mostly, and parallel roads of the A4, but those "experiences" date back to 2003. I heard some stuff about reckless overtaking.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 02:50 PM   #708
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Don't scare him, it's not that bad

Chris, you just must be aware of two things: On 1x2 roads with wiiide hard shoulders people will expect you to give them some space while overtaking (although not everyone does that and even half-brain rednecks in 20 y.o. BMW shouldn't force you to do that) and people generally drive fast here (majority drives about 20km/h over the limit).

Have a nice trip
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Old June 11th, 2009, 02:53 PM   #709
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The biggest problem is that when you see someone overtaking and driving head-on you, never ever brake rapidly, but move to the shoulder.

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When seeing a speed limit, make sure nobody is tailgating you. In such situation also never brake when seeing a yellow light.

Flashing lights means either police ahead or 'get out of my way', very rarely to let you pass.

There are no carts on the road, and you won't get raped on the first parking

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Old June 11th, 2009, 02:54 PM   #710
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I think that stories of reckless driving in Poland are grossly exaggerated. Yes, there are some utter maniacs out there on our roads but show me a country where speeding does not happen at all. A few years ago when we changed out of our Fiats 126 into proper cars there was a period when owners of the more powerful cars showed off. Now that most people have got proper cars, speeding and reckless overtaking is seen as socially irresponsible. In my village nobody drives over 50 km/h, even though you could easily drive at 150 km/h, because the consequences are just unacceptable.

Ironically, my worst experience of bad driving (overtaking followed by verbal abuse and road rage) was actually in the Netherlands in otherwise peaceful Flevoland, as I was negotiating my way up to Afsluitdijk. However, I would not presume to extrapolate from this bad experience and say that all Dutch drivers are bad drivers.

Just stick to the speed limit, enjoy the leisurely drive, enjoy the scenery and ignore anyone who breaks the speed limit. Driving at 150 km/h will only get you quicker to heaven, nothing else.

And remember to switch on your car lights on entry into Poland – by Law you must use headlights 24h a day.


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Old June 11th, 2009, 03:11 PM   #711
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People don't drive like maniacs because every road in Poland is now peppered with speed traps. That's the main reason. TV campaigns of course raise the awareness of what may happen to you when you act irresponsibly but the main reason people started driving less recklessly were fines and losing points off their licenses.

It that wasn't enough there are a lot more cops patrolling routes in unmarked cars with video in front and behind. Just because a cop car passes you don't think you can now let it go and floor it. They could be checking your speed with their rear cameras.

Something to be aware of.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 03:18 PM   #712
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I was just trying to prepare Chris for something he has probably never thought of.

Of course people don't drive that recklessly (4 cars shoulder to shoulder, >130 km/h), but this is what we consider dangerous.
I know many people claiming that others drive like insane and that more police should be there on the roads, while they also drive 120 km/h and overtake as the third.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 03:34 PM   #713
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Nah, I drive 20 over the speed limit in NL too if I can... I do not overtake recklessly, but I know the system, I've seen it in Switzerland too, where there were 2 trucks and 2 cars next to eachother on a very wide 2-lane road.

Some staying-alive money for next Sunday. I don't plan on gas up in Poland, but you'll never know.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 03:39 PM   #714
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If you do, search only for brand-name stations.

I would be grateful if you could take some pics of A4/A18 interchange and of A18, it's only 12 kms off your route. Also border crossings would be welcomed

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Old June 11th, 2009, 03:48 PM   #715
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Old June 11th, 2009, 03:52 PM   #716
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Heh, but now two lanes are already opened Anyway, it's your decision.
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Old June 12th, 2009, 01:46 AM   #717
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I remember one incident of reckless driving in Poland last year, I was driving on a single lane road (E28) in a queue behind a slow lorry. Once the oncoming vehicles had passed everyone decided to overtake, at the same time. I got out just infront so saw in my mirrors the impressive sight of 5 vehicles alongside each other from shoulder to shoulder as they all decided to overtake not thinking that the car infront probably wants to go at a similar speed to them.
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Old June 12th, 2009, 05:35 PM   #718
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I'm considering this 3-day trip this weekend:
So, are you finally going or not?

Is photographing every km obvious, or should I remind you about it?
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Old June 12th, 2009, 05:46 PM   #719
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I'm planning to drive off about the end of tomorrow morning...

The first day will take me from Zwolle to Niesky (near Görlitz) via Kassel and Leipzig, a distance of about 770 kilometers. I will be driving through Poland on sunday, and return home on monday, because weather conditions will already be detoriating during monday.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 12:29 PM   #720
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Hmmm, I had to postpone it... didn't feel well all night and now I have kopfschmerzen
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